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  •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

    Don't forget this bit:
    "Ok, that's an exaggeration of both camps, but you see where this could lead if the polarization continues."

    My point is that Sunsara Taylor should distance herself from Avakian. If she did so, she would increase her moral authority when criticising these wingnuts. It's hard to defend Mao's atrocities against Tibet. Why bother?

    Also, it feeds their propaganda narrative, that they are being confronted by a group ideologically associated with totalitarian communism. Wouldn't it be liberating for Sunsara Taylor and World Can't Wait to make a clean break from the excesses of Lenin and Mao, at least?

    I won't even try to defend Dean appearing on the 700 Club. The Ring of Power was calling out his name and he swooned.

    •  I can't speak for Sunsara Taylor (0+ / 0-)

      But you could always e-mail her with your ideas about her political affiliations.

      But I've got a better idea than getting a soundbite from Sunsara Taylor on Tibet.

      Let's see Hillary Clinton oppose the Christian right with the same kind of energy Sunsara has. After all, Hillary has enormous resources, money, media contacts, power. Sunsara has almost none of this.

      Learn from Franklin Roosevelt. If you really want to undercut radicals, coopt their program.

      As long as the Democratic Party's elite supports the war and supports an alignment with Christians fundamentalists (and they do) someone (usually on the left) will fill the vacuum and set up an opposition.

      I personally don't give a crap about the idealogy of the person who opposes the Christian right. As long as they do.

      There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing."

      by WorldCantWait on Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:02:55 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary is lost. She's a female Leiberman. (0+ / 0-)

        I can't imagine getting through to her. She's in her own world.

        •  How about Dean? (0+ / 0-)

          Dean ran out of town like a scared rabit last September rather than be seen with Cindy Sheehan or have anyting to do with an anti-war war protest involving International Answer.

          Yet he went on the 700 Club.

          The Democratic Party's elite has a serious double standard.

          How about Feingold, Gore, Frank Lautenberg?

          Why are they so afraid of being seen with radicals in the anti-war movement and not terribly afraid of being seeing with evangelicals?

          There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing."

          by WorldCantWait on Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:12:33 PM PDT

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          •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

            Democrats leave a lot to be desired.

            How about Hugo Chavez? Is he not the most important leader in the Americas?

            I look south of the border for hope and leadership. North America has too many indoctrinated imperialists.

            •  I'm not an expert on Hugo Chavez (0+ / 0-)

              or Tibet. But I don't necessarily think you can apply a model that works in South America to the United States.

              Just to stay on the topic of this thread, I think what you need is for Americans to realize that Christian fundamentalists aren't harmless, that they're organized, well funded, and they've totally infiltrated the federal bureaucracy.

              I'm appalled that the Democrats don't seem to realize this and are willing to give up their own committment to secularism for a few votes.

              I'm in my late 30s. I grew up watching the Democrats promise that if we only accept their conservative economic ideas, they'd stand up for the right to an abortion and for the seperation of church and state.

              They lied. They just flat out lied. And after seeing them fold on Alito, I'm going to have a hard time believing anything any of them ever says again.

              And I'm sure as hell not going to listen to them when they say something like "trust us. It's not the time to protest the Christian right now. Let's wait until we win the election."

              Because that would be the same crap I heard when I was 19.

              As far as I'm concerned, tell me what you stand for and what you're willing to do and I'll make up my own mind if I consider you my friend or enemy.

              There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing."


              by WorldCantWait on Mon May 22, 2006 at 07:24:26 PM PDT

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              •  I'm in total agreement on the Christian takeover (0+ / 0-)

                They've gotten significantly worse since the time of Thomas Jefferson.

                Televangelism is the biggest problem in the U.S.

                I'm a secular humanist in the vein of  Karl Marx, and more recently, Sam Harris. I have been since I was a kid.

                Religious fundies scare the hell out of me and religious moderates frustrate me with their enabling of the fundies.

                What is the difference between a cult and a religion? A cult is small and new, a religion may have more than a billion adherents and may be thousands of years old.

                I'm part of a vast, secular conspiracy to create a utopian future. We will overcome. It may be sooner than people expect, with the internet always increasing its reach.

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