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  •  That is not the story you tell in Diary #1 (0+ / 0-)

    There was nothing remotely close to an Archbishop of Canterbury angle in your first diary.  If that is what you meant, why is that not what you said?

    You try to paint Nixon as intentionally giving a speach knowing he could then gun down protesters five days laters on a small to-then unheard of Ohio campus.  Then, when faced with his horrible deeds, the man visits the Lincoln Memorial at 5AM and nearly, perhaps does, suffer a nervous breakdown.

    That's not at all an Archbishop of Canterbury scanrio.  If that's your true opinion, you owe dKos with one hell of a Mea Culpa dairy.

    Let me ask you these questions.

    Do the words "tragic accident" have any credibility in your worldview?

    Do you hold open the possibility that Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon just might have been capable of genuine human emotions, at least occasionally?

    I realy don't care that you pass off a bunch of extremely thin coincidences as some sort of evidence.  I'm just sorry to see dKos takes these conspiracy diaries so seriously.  I applaud your desire and effort to memorialize May 4th, 1970.  I just think it's a shame you have to spoil the memorial aspect by weaving in your personal conspiracy imaginings.

    "A Republic, if you can keep it". Benjamin Franklin, 1787, regarding America's new Constitution. "You're on", George W. Bush, Jan 20, 2001.

    by Quicklund on Thu May 25, 2006 at 01:45:22 PM PDT

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    •  All this paranoia about conspiracy... (2+ / 0-)
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      theories on Dkos is over the top. How the hell do you think anything in government gets accomplished on higher levels without some sort of "conspiracy? Do they not exist in your world? These diaries have not spoiled anything. In the absence of an honest government and real information, everything we talk about is a "theory." How the hell do we know what really (spelled with two L's)happened at Kent State if we can't use circumstantial evidence, eye witness reports and so on. Anyone who knows anything at all about Kent State harbors in their hearts the "conspiracy theory" that Richard Nixon and Jim Rhodes drew the line in the sand at Kent State, deciding once and for all to put a stop to student protests.
        You are evidently wounded by criticism of Dick Nixon. On this site, that is a rare duck. Kainah owes no one a "mea culpa."

    •  not so unheard of campus (1+ / 0-)
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      See my comments in diary III regarding an incident the prior year at Kent State, where a large protest turned into a sit-in, which was broken up by campus police, and involved more than 50 arrests.

      The incident was heavily infiltrated by undercover cops who took extensive photographs.  The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), which as a Nixon apolgist you must be aware of, conducted hearings on the incident, and issued a 150-200 page committee report, which included the photographs.

      So, yes, the campus was certainly in the scope, if not the crosshairs, of the Nixon administration.

      Did Nixon directly order the shootings?  Of course not.  Whatever he was, he was not stupid.  He had aides for that.  But your interrogation technique sounds like the lawyer who pushes for black & white answers which are off the subject.  A little browbeating here perhaps?

      Did James Rhodes employ the Ohio National Guard to quell local disturbances more than any other governor at the time?  I think there has been ample evidence provided by kainah and the commenters for that.

      Did Rhodes escalate the small incident of Friday, May 1st, enhancing his "law & order" image by calling for the National Guard, because he had an election the following Tuesday?  Without doubt.

      Kainah, you owe no apology for digging into the facts.  If your digging connects the dots to a larger truth, so be it.  Quicklund, you a so pre-9/11.

      Conspiracy may be in the mind of the victim, and paranoia may be the label perpetrators use to quiet dissent (see Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics), but the truth has a funny was of emerging, even if it takes years.

      That's how it is on this bitch of an earth. Samuel Beckett, "Waiting for Godot"

      by ohiojack on Fri May 26, 2006 at 07:57:29 AM PDT

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