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  •  Trojan Horse? (0+ / 0-)

    Or looking a gift horse in the mouth? Let's not get paranoid.

    "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang separately." - Ben Franklin

    by RandyMI on Tue May 30, 2006 at 03:25:18 PM PDT

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    •  How moderate is he? (0+ / 0-)

      What are his actual beliefs?

      I doubt if he's exactly "left wing." And the so-called leftwing of the Democratic Party (actually should be considered orthodox, IMHO) is the only political faction in this country that's committed to any sort of real change.  Who needs another "moderate" to get elected as a Democrat and do nothing, like the Nelson boys, or Evan Bayh.

      We need universal healthcare now, not 12 years from now, when even moderates will have to stop praising our healthcare system as "the best in the world."

      •  We're talking about Kansas (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm not so sure there is a left wing there. I'm not even "left wing" and I live in San Francisco now.

        "We must all hang together or assuredly we will all hang separately." - Ben Franklin

        by RandyMI on Tue May 30, 2006 at 03:56:12 PM PDT

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        •  Well, (1+ / 0-)
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          If you're for univeral healthcare, a real and sensible energy policy, a beneficent instead of confrontational and unilateral foreign policy, with intelligently conceived foreign aid programs, freedom of choice, no illegal spying, etc., then you're leftwing.

          In my opinion, those are all pretty moderate things, but there are a great many Democrats who don't seem to think so...

          •  Sure. (0+ / 0-)

            I, at least, am not a left-wing for sure.. In fact - i am not a Democrat either (an Indie, very slightly left-of-center). And i like Evan Bayh and John Warner much more then "patented left-wingers". This particular candidate, especially in a conservative-leaning state, like Kansas, would suit me much better then "flamaing liberal", who would surely lose. Name me 3-4 genuine "liberal" congresspersons from Kansas in, say, last 30 years

            •  I couldn't! (0+ / 0-)

              That's precisely my point. So a Kansas Republican becomes a Democrat!

              What's the big deal?

              Is that supposed to float the Democrats' boat?

              No, it will only install more conservative sticks in the political mud when the Democrats regain Congress, so that we can continue to have discriminatory and outrageously expensive healthcare that no one tries to fix.

              All that's just fine if you're still working for a corporation that provides all your medical free of charge, but it's not fine for self-employeds with pre-existing conditions who can't get insurance!

              Millions of such people have to live with the fear of financial catastrophe, while Republicans who are too far away from the problem to notice there's a problem, could care less.

              The farther away from the problem you are, the easier it is to be a Republican.

              Who needs Republicans joining the Democratic Party who think like Republicans?  I agree, just about everybody in Kansas would qualify for that.  They're still sleepwalking.

              •  You want to lose permanently? (0+ / 0-)

                Well, that's your choice. Only 20% percent of Americans call himself "liberals" (in Kansas - even less). You want to run ultra-liberals and alienate people like myself, who will never vote for them, instead of running reasonable moderate? Your right, but i repeat - prepare to lose then. Forever.. I will not be part of it..

                •  No, I want universal healthcare... (0+ / 0-)

                  and so should you.

                  Lots of people are losing their corporate jobs to outsourcing and their health insurance at the same time.  They go on COBRA for 18 months, paying out-of-pocket for their premiums, and develop diabetes or cancer during that time (or their spouse does), and then when the COBRA expires, they can't get any insurance company to carry them because they have a pre-existing condition.

                  They then face financial ruin trying to pay $5,000 per month for chemotherapy out of their own pockets.

                  Does this mean anything to you?  Do you have a "moderate" answer for that?  Would it be something like "this is an ownership society, buddy, and you own your own problems--sorry for your bad luck, but you're on your own."

                  Is that the best answer you can think of?  Is any fairer or better answer "ultra liberal?"

                  Can you address issues specifically, when asked? Or do you just respond in generalized, Republican talking points like "down with liberals!"

                  What specific policy position of yours makes you "slightly left of center," if I may ask?

                  •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

                    First of all - i am very fiscally conservative. When i will see money for universal healthcare - i will consider your plan. Until then - i am sorry.. But don't propose "new taxes on ..." - i will not even consider such approach

                    I will outline my social positions, which concern most of the people here first:

                    Pro-choice, but against "partial birth abortion" procedure(except where it's absolutely medically neccessary)and against late-term abortions (except medically neccessary), pro civil unions, but against "gay marriage", for reasonable gun-control, against ANWR. This is what I call "slightly left-of-center"...

                    •  It has been calculated... (0+ / 0-)

                      by people who do that sort of thing, that universal healthcare for everyone would cost only somewhat more than what we already spend on health insurance premiums as a nation + what we already pay in emergency care for the indigent who use emergency rooms for their basic care.

                      For the third year in a row, my family (both spouses self-employed) has paid $25,000 for two health insurance policies for our family of five, plus the medical expenses that were not covered by these inadequate plans (with $5,000 deductibles, to boot). Because of our particular combination of pre-existing conditions, I do not dare give up my policy, because I'll never get another acceptable one.

                      That's almost $75,000 over the last 3 years (and much, much more over the 11 years before that) that could have gone into retirement savings, and would have if we had corporate insurance like so many others.

                      This is to say nothing about the 45 million people in this country who have to live in dread fear of merely breaking an arm and being saddled with a $6,000 bill--half a year's income for many minimum wage earners.

                      But "fiscally responsible" Kansas main-streeters like you can't see your way to even requiring insurance companies to cover everyone--even with pre-existing conditions.  That would be meddling with our wonderful free enterprise system, wouldn't it, and drive your monthly costs up a little.

                      Just wouldn't be America if we did that!
                      To hell with some poor buck who has to pay 25 grand a year because he and one of his children have pre-existing conditions!

                      So, until you see the money for it is not an answer, especially when this country regularly blows as many hundreds of billions on military spending as we do.

                      Not an answer, not acceptable, time for change.

                      If you can't see that, then stay Republican!

                      •  As i said - (0+ / 0-)

                        i have no intention of being a Republican or Democrat. I am committed to staying Independent... And i don't buy your arguments. What's not acceptable for you - may be quite acceptable for  me and vice versa..

                        •  You don't buy my arguments? (0+ / 0-)

                          You don't believe that I spend 25 grand a year on health insurance premiums for inadequate coverage, and the expenses that aren't covered?  Or you just don't give a rip?

                          Well, your arguments are the ones that will go "the way of the buffalo" -- to extinction, not mine.

                          More and more middle class, educated professionals are losing their healthcare and finding out the hard way what reality is like when you're on your own.  Personally, I'm glad to see them wake up.

                          Their numbers are increasing every month, and they are the ones who will make universal healthcare happen--when it isn't perceived as just another handout to the poor.

                          It will become increasingly unacceptable to millions of people to be facing financial ruin and a retirement as paupers, so that people like you can make your Hummer payments and burn up three time the gasoline you need.

                          Wake up already!

                          •  What for??? (0+ / 1-)
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                            I feel rather comfortable as i am. And i have a lot of other things to do...

                          •  Ah...there you have it-- (0+ / 0-)

                            you're comfortable where you are, just like your average Republican, so who gives a rip about anyone else?

                            I hope you feel that way when your trusted health insurance company, whichever it is, decides to deny payments for "experimental" drugs you need to survive.

                            As I said, the further away from the problem you are, the easier it is to be a Republican.  So you're not officially a Republican?  Well, you still think like one.

                            The battle will be joined in the voting booth, and I do believe you will lose.

                          •  I can't lose (0+ / 0-)

                            There is only one Indie in Senate and one in House (BTW - i respect both).. I don't really care about others, Democrats or Republicans - there are Democrats i respect, and there are Democrats i despise, the same - about Republicans. So - it's one big amusing game for me - nothing less, nothing more. I repeat - i can't lose....

                          •  Wonderful. (0+ / 0-)

                            Unfortunately for me and my family, we can lose and are losing.

                            At least you don't sound like a pious religionist're apparently just genuinely unconscious and selfish.

                            I really do appreciate your honesty.

                          •  I am conscious and nonselfish (0+ / 0-)

                            So, you are wrong on both points. And i am honest as well..

                          •  Here's an apropos comment... (0+ / 0-)

                            ...from another diary--couldn't have said it better myself:

                            It's the Republican philosophy (6+ / 0-)

                            As a friend of my mom's says, "As long as my ox isn't gored." She's an old-school Republican (don't worry, mom's a long-time Democrat).

                            So is the bullshit that the Republican party "just isn't what it used to be."

                            Nope. Republicans have always been selfish. They just like to call it "fiscal conservatism." But, basically, as long as their kids can go to private schools, who gives a damn about the public schools? As long as other people's children fight the wars, their kids can stay out of harm's way. As long as they have health care (which, in mom's friend's case is provided by...ta da...the US government! Hubby was lifelong military guy - one who never went to war BTW). As long as they can live in safe neighborhoods, or gated communities, who cares if "other" parts of town have rising crime?

                            Thing is, when we all prosper, things get better. Crime goes down,. People are happier. And the amount of money it would cost is not so much. Think of what we could have done with all that money spent on this fucking Iraq War? We never have money for the important stuff, but we can sure find it when we want to blow people to smithereens.

                            Republicans are the party of selfish, whiny-assed babies. And there isn't one I'd give the time of day.

                            All Truth is non-partisan

                            by MA Liberal on Thu Jun 01, 2006 at 11:37:58

                          •  You are entitled to your opinion (0+ / 0-)

                            Right now i have very different sort of problems. And i will  for some years to come at least. As far as i know - you are from Texas (where my brother lives and works) - so there are exactly 9 time zones between us. I don't know - when and even "if" i will return back, but believe me - i have a very different assortment of problems in a country i reside now - and universal healthcare takes one of the last position on my list. So, it will be very difficult to get even minimal understanding between us - different country, different people, different environment, different priorities. Even i and my brother have very different priorities - simply because he is in Texas and i - where i am. So, all elections are a sort of soccer games to me - i have my views, my "favorite horses" - and that's all. Because all of that influences my life very little and it's not clear - whether it will ever become inmportant again for me..

                          •  Very well. (0+ / 0-)

                            I can certainly see how such a distance would affect your view of things.

                            I used to do business in southern Mexico, and even though it wasn't really all that far from Texas, it seemed like a completely different world.


                          •  My present world (0+ / 0-)

                            is much more different...)))

          •  Sure. (0+ / 0-)

            I, at least, am not a left-wing for sure.. In fact - i am not a Democrat either (an Indie, very slightly left-of-center). And i like Evan Bayh and John Warner much more then "patented left-wingers". This particular candidate, especially in a conservative-leaning state, like Kansas, would suit me much better then "flamaing liberal", who would surely lose. Name me 3-4 genuine "liberal" congresspersons from Kansas in, say, last 30 years

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