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  •  That work has yet to be done... (0+ / 0-)

    ...because it never will be done.

    I still believe that liberals agree at the level of principle--which is what Beinart was asking for. We disagree horribly about how to put those principles into practice.

    Marching in lockstep under one banner (or phrase or slogan) is about as anti-liberal as you can get. Beinart is simply complaining that liberals don't behave like conservatives.

    I say "good!" It may hurt us given the current way that politics is marketed, but the variety of viewpoints that prevent us from agreeing on one overarching message is a strength.

    "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

    by Mad Dog Rackham on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 09:26:25 AM PDT

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    •  I'd say marching under a slogan or banner (0+ / 0-)

      is acting like a political party that wants to win. What good are principles that can't be codified?

      Sure, we're all nice, and all. but...

      Slap those goddam hogs away from the trough. They've had enough.

      by perro amarillo on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 10:59:46 AM PDT

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      •  It might be a way to win... (0+ / 0-)
        ...but liberals are too detail oriented. They want to debate the precise wording on that banner and won't start marching until everyone's viewpoint is reflected in it.

        If we'd get over ourselves a bit, and focus on the areas that we agree on--which I apparently feel are larger than you do--we could be out there marching.

        But as long as we keep searching for that perfect codification of all things liberal--which sounds like what Beinart wants--we're not going to have much of a banner.

        I hate to be the "big picture" guy, but sometimes the details really don't matter.

        "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 02:24:37 PM PDT

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