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  •  Col. Westhusing (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks for reminding us about Col. Westhusing...I hope his story is not forgotten. The point you make about values training for those at the top, is similar to one made by Dr. Philip Zimbardo at a lecture I attended at USF in 2004. He argued that it wasn't just a few bad apples at Abu Ghraib, but that the whole barrel was rotten.

    I fear the massacres will only continue until something at the top gives, and that's unlikely with a gang of stubborn sociopaths like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and General Pace in charge.

    Lies, Torture and the American Way! (My Apologies to Superman)

    by Darksyde888 on Mon Jun 05, 2006 at 03:46:19 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting news in a related story today... (5+ / 0-)

      The folks at the top don't seem to want to give, Darksyde. According to the LA Times:

      The Pentagon has decided to omit from new detainee policies a key tenet of the Geneva Convention that explicitly bans "humiliating and degrading treatment," according to knowledgeable military officials, a step that would mark a further, potentially permanent, shift away from strict adherence to international human rights standards. ...However, the State Department fiercely opposes the military's decision to exclude Geneva Convention protections and has been pushing for the Pentagon and White House to reconsider, the Defense Department officials acknowledged. ...

      The directive on interrogation, a senior defense official said, is being rewritten to create safeguards so that all detainees are treated humanely but can still be questioned effectively.

      President Bush's critics and supporters have debated whether it is possible to prove a direct link between administration declarations that it will not be bound by Geneva and events such as the abuses at Abu Ghraib or the killings of Iraqi civilians last year in Haditha, allegedly by Marines.

      But the exclusion of the Geneva provisions may make it more difficult for the administration to portray such incidents as aberrations. And it undercuts contentions that U.S. forces follow the strictest, most broadly accepted standards when fighting wars. "The rest of the world is completely convinced that we are busy torturing people," said Oona A. Hathaway, an expert in international law at Yale Law School. "Whether that is true or not, the fact we keep refusing to provide these protections in our formal directives puts a lot of fuel on the fire."

      •  That was one of my top two news articles today (1+ / 0-)
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        Just stared at it when I saw it.

        Trying to grasp it.

        They would really go this far???

        It's the "anti-fear-propaganda" solution: positive news: HeroicStories, free

        by AllisonInSeattle on Tue Jun 06, 2006 at 12:32:20 AM PDT

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        •  Past the point of logic anymore, isn't it? (2+ / 0-)
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          AllisonInSeattle, kurt

          I mean, what the heck are they thinking? Certainly not like the American leaders that I remember growing up with -- they at least balked at so publicly revealing their desire to bend and demolish rules at their whim.

          Oh, I'm sure rules and laws have always been decimated by our leaders in the past -- behind the scenes in the dark recesses of government. Yet this group in power today doesn't want to do it that way...that's no fun, is it? They're drunk with power, preferring to loudlyc elebrate and broadcast their contempt for anything that would challenge them. Shameless. And dangerous.

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