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  •  The consumer connection? (2+ / 0-)
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    MamasGun, mango

    We all 'exploit' illegal immigrants with our purchases at the market.  How much do you think the average citizen is willing to pay for a head of lettuce?

    Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.

    by oldpro on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 08:59:32 AM PDT

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    •  Not lettuce again (0+ / 0-)

      First of all, I don't want lettuce handled by illegals.  

      Second of all, I don't want to be exploiting them in any way whatsoever.  Just because I've been forced to go along with their exploitation by people like you who keep using stupid scare tactics like "How much do you think the average citizen is willing to pay for a head of lettuce", doesn't mean I want to.

      Thirdly, stop bringing up the freakin lettuce.  If iceberg lettuce consumption went down drastically in this country, it wouldn't really matter that much.  It doesn't have much of a nutritional value, nor does it have an addictive flavor along the lines of something such as ... crack cocaine.  Nobody will miss it, and missing it isn't going to kill anybody.

      And last, but certainly not least, the price of lettuce is not going to skyrocket if it was picked by normal americans making minimum wage or more.  Most lettuce is grown by large farms, owned by corporations or corporate-friendly republicans, and they make OBSCENE profits on it, which they then donate to the Republican Party.

      Now, people like you keep bringing this lettuce thing up, but what you fail to realize is that using proper labor to produce this crop isn't going to bring lettuce to $10 a head.  It would if the greedy republican farmers insisted on keeping their insane profit margins, but how long do you think they would stay in business doing that?  They of course would get a reality check real quick and adjust their expectations more towards reality.

      •  Excuse me?!? (0+ / 0-)

        "People like you?"  What the Hell are you talking about?

        Before you attack people (like me) personally, you'd better know more about them.  I've picketed Safeway over grapes...8 years running during the boycott...and marched with farmworkers, so please...respond to the post and not the poster, hmm, quit 'interpreting' what someone (like me) says and get down off your high horse and talk about the issue.  Now...

        It's a fair question, after all...what the "average citizen" is willing to pay for anything factors into inflation and the cost of living for everyone...individuals, restaurants, grocery stores, families, etc.  Lettuce was simply an example of a much-purchased familiar crop often picked by farmworkers.  In my state, the farmworkers are more likely to pick cherries, apples, asparagus (children preferred, early in the morning before school starts, so they fall asleep in class -- protecting kids from child labor is STILL an issue in this country -- and no wonder their scores are lower than their non-hispanic counterparts)...potatoes, hay harvest, etc.

        I, too, am willing to pay a lot more so that people have a living wage for their work...and am proud that my state has the highest minimum wage in the country for which some of us worked our butts off...but still...there are ways around it in the ag business.

        So...what is the solution if unionization isn't working...and it isn't...?  What's the legislative fix at the national, state or local level?  Do you know?  I'd be interested in practical, thoughtful ideas for resolving this issue and I have some ideas but not all the answers.  It's not my specialty.  Is it yours?  

        Anyone?

        Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.

        by oldpro on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 05:45:27 PM PDT

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    •  I'm so tired of this argument (4+ / 0-)
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      Ralfast, nilocjin, deathsinger, wa ma

      PLEASE CHARGE ME MORE FOR A HEAD OF LETTUCE!

      Since I am not personally in charge of who sets the wages for pickers, stop blaming me. It's a bullshit straw man argument, as I've said in other threads.

      Remember the Taco Bell boycott? Guess what -- my favorite burrito (the 7-layer) went from $1.29 to $1.79 because they're paying the tomato and lettuce pickers better. And I still think it's cheap. So yes, PLEASE DO CHARGE ME MORE FOR PRODUCE, especially if it means these people have a better standard of living.

      Bizarro World sucks... I want to go home to America.

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      by willers on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 10:19:22 AM PDT

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      •  Try the Value Menu (0+ / 0-)

        While you deserve mad props for happily taking on an increase in price so that Immolakee workers can make a living, I think Taco Bell just rearranged its prices, placing a bunch of spicy, yummy value-priced objects on the menu to recruit new diners and increase the sale of soft drinks while increasing other prices.  Habitués of the Value Menu, of course, may be tempted by more expensive items.

        The wage increase demanded was a penny per pound picked and I don't think that 40 pounds of tomatoes go into a 7-layer burrito.

        By using the Value Menu around here, you can get a larger, more delicious chicken burrito for $1.39 these days than I got for $0.99 back in the days of 59-79-99, and inflation has risen far more than 40% in the last 14 years.  

      •  Dear me. (0+ / 0-)

        Defensive responses such as this one make we wonder, willers...here's a clue:

        It's not about you!

        No one is 'blaming you!'  So...too bad you're 'tired' of hearing this or that.  Perhaps you have an actual idea or two of how to solve the problem?

        See my response above to djpat so I don;t have to repeat myself...."Charge me more" is fine with me too but it isn't an answer to the problem.  The issue is much more complicated than that in the halls of legislatures and THAT'S where the decisions are made ... re minimum wage and whether (or NOT) it will apply to farm labor.

        sigh....

        Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.

        by oldpro on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 05:51:11 PM PDT

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