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  •  Anti-clericalism is one thing, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...the culture of obedience, deferred expectations, and passive acceptance of injustice is another.  

    Authoritarian patriarchal religion plays a similar role with peasants everywhere.  it is not necessarily the Church as an institution being the master manipulator of society, so much as it is the co-optation of civic life by "tradition" and conservative social standards, by making religious festivals more important than political rallies, by keeping education, health care and social services in the hands of the Church.

    I'd be the first to admit I have not spent the time in mexico, BUT I have lived in San Francisco's Mission district for over a decade and am very familiar with Mexican culture and attitudes.  I'm also from an Eastern European Catholic background, with branches of the family still over there, and see how the "Catholic culture" promotes the status quo and resists change.

    It doesn't have to be that way, as the Church's role in Poland and Solidarity shows.  But the Church under John Paul II was more interested in fighting communism than in social justice for Latin America.

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" -Stephen Colbert (-6.38/ -4.21)

    by wonkydonkey on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 09:30:49 AM PDT

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      a lot of those national traits predate the Catholic Church in Mexico.

      The Catholic Church is not involved in education in Mexico, BTW.

      As to religious festivals superseding political events, not really true in Mexico. Yesterday 100,000 people in Oaxaca (1/10th of the cities population) marched in support of the teachers and agaisnt political repression.

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        MamasGun the patriarchic authority is not the sole fault of the Catholic church, but the church has often suppressed opposition to it in the interest of peace and stability.

        Mexico does have a revolutionary tradition dating back to around 1800, but the emotion was too often directed against Spain, France or the US to bring about real change in Mexican society.  And the Church has more often been on the side of the oppressors and status quo than it has championed change for the people.  That is why Mexicans are anti-clerical.  But they still cope with their condition through tradition, religious superstition and emigration rather than creating change and taking responsibility for the conditions in their society.

        I truly hope real change is on its way for the Mexican people.  But Mexico has a history of revolution followed by repression and stultification, as the new ruling elite becomes just as bad as the old ruling elite.  I guarantee that if all those who had lived for any amount of time in the US were forced to go back to Mexico, with no hope of returning to the US, the pace of change in Mexico would be accelerated greatly.

        "Reality has a well-known liberal bias" -Stephen Colbert (-6.38/ -4.21)

        by wonkydonkey on Thu Jun 08, 2006 at 10:05:18 AM PDT

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      •  Speaking of Religious Festivals.... (1+ / 0-)
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        That is a very impressive turnout, considering that a Very Important Religious Festival is about to take place in Germany.

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