Skip to main content

View Diary: VA-Sen: Sabato -- "Webb is Allen's worst nightmare" (283 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  But who were the Dem voters there? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    macdust, DaleA, grrr

    Webb is still a tough sell in the African American community which is a big chunk of the Dem base in the Tidewater.  His back and forth comments on affirmative action didn't help there.  

    I don't think there were a lot of military votes going to the polls down there.  They likely don't think of themselves as Dems.

    Come November, expect a very different pattern with the military.  The question is whether some Dems sit the race out.

    - "You're Hells Angels, then? What chapter are you from?"

    by Hoya90 on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:39:36 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Why would Democrats want to continue a (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      GOP Senate? Find any Dems who favor that?

      "Rovus vulgaris americanus"
      Chronic infection
      of Democracy.
      Cure: Pending
      -7.63, -9.59

      by shpilk on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:44:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Webb has a problem with black voters (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        DaleA, grrr

        partly due to his own positions on affirmative action, partly to his association with Reagan, and partly due to some nasty negative campaigning by Miller.  A lot of VA Dems are black/African American.  If Webb can't shake off the accusations/perceptions of racism, they may indeed sit this out.

        "Going to church does not make us Christians any more than stepping into our garage makes us a car." --Rev R. Neville

        by catleigh on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 06:57:00 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You don't understand how much AA HATE Reagan (4+ / 0-)

        I remember telling my dad that Reagan died and I thought that he would at least say something nice or diplomatic in response. I should have known better. My dad was a fed worker at the time and replied "I get a day off from work." My dad's an old school kind of guy who doesn't believe that you should speak ill of the dead. Well, with Reagan he didn't show that much sympathy that he had died.

        There is absolutely NO love lost b/w AA and Reagan. So when JW campaigns in AA communities, I would suggest that he either not mention his Reagan affiliation or mute it. If Mudcat and others are reading this thread, I would also suggest that JW start making appearances at black radio stations during morning drive time. He doesn't want AA to sit out this election.

        •  I want it make it VERY clear to Kossacks (13+ / 0-)

          b/c I don't think some of you guys get it, so I'm going to repeat it again.

          African Americans for the most part, particularly older African Americans (the people who would vote in the midterms) REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY dislike Ronald Reagan.

          And the confusion over the confederate flag a few months ago isn't going to help either...

          If the Webb campaign can find quotes from Allen about Katrina and/or negative comments about Katrina victims and then start talking about that, it might help Webb with AA voters.

          •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:

            I second, third, and fourth that comment.


          •  fine by me (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            DaleA, Harkov311

            I can't stand Reagan either - but I still hope the AAs vote for Webb over @#*& Allan

            •  Well, Webb's going to have to make his case (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:

              why they should come out and vote for him--just like with any other constituency. I'm sure that he will do that but he's going to have to make an extra effort to court AA voters b/c of 1) Reagan, 2) Richmond article re: confederate flag/veterans and 3)stance on affirmative action.

              Webb's lucky that AAs for the most part hate Bush for a variety of reasons. As long as Webb courts AA and can effectively tie Allen to Bush, I think he'll be ok. But I think he needs to start immediately  addressing this issue. Maybe he can start with Doug Wilder and work for there. I don't know who the kingmakers are in the AA community, but he's probably got to smooth some relations with them etc. He also needs to get more exposure in AA communities...

          •  I'm not an AA but I guarantee you (0+ / 0-)

            nobody disliked RR more than I did. I mean nobody.

          •  I have to agree... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:

            Most thinking people really, really dislike Reagan. I can't see how being like Reagan can possibly be a term of endearment, but then again, considering who runs this joint now, perhaps beauty is relative.

            I mean seariously, if I never again hear the excuse "But I didn't have any clue what was going on around me, or how to run the country, so how can I possibly be responsible for all the aweful and completely obvious criminality surrounding me like stench on a corpse." it will be too soon. However, I virtually guarantee we all will hear it multiple times a day until at least January 2008. All I can say is, it had better not come from any Democrats, or they can kiss my money goodbye.

            I feel no need to actively place admitted idiots and incompetents in control of my destiny, thank you.

          •  Well if it helps any... (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Yosef 52

            Webb mentioned in his book "Born Fighting" that he'd like to mend relations between the Scots-Irish and blacks, who have all too often been at each other's throats historically.  And as I read it, he wanted to expand Affirmative Action to include poor whites, which as far as I can tell means poor blacks would still be getting it.

            And to be horribly honest, most whites, unless they were racism-inclined and specifically looking for code words, didn't see Reagan's actions or words as racist.  Make of that what you will, but it must have been true, since it's one of the only ways you can account for the extent of Reagan's win.

            All your vote are belong to us. Warner/Feingold 2008

            by Harkov311 on Tue Jun 13, 2006 at 10:57:58 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  The McEachin Advantage (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:

          Donald McEachin was a big and heavily applauded presence at the victory celebration this evening, and he seems to be helping Webb appreciate the scope of his own commitment to African Americans in a former slave state.

          McEachin said he asked Webb about his views and Webb replied that affirmative-action programs should be applied only to blacks because only they have suffered from "deliberate, long-term government policies aimed at preventing their advancement."

          He went on to say that the affirmative-action programs have been broadened into diversity programs that extend to other groups.

          "Affirmative action should revert to its original intent of assisting African-Americans," Webb told McEachin.

          If diversity programs continue, they should address economic conditions among all Americans while focussing primarily on blacks, he said.

          "It just doesn't get any better than that from an African-American's perspective on affirmative action," McEachin said.

    •  not as tough as allen (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:

      since allen loves his nooses and confederate flags....

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site