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  •  What would you put in its place, then? (2+ / 0-)
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    Rita in DC, cookiebear

    most telling for me is that, over the long term, i don't see that the zealous troll raters and cojones laden Kosmopolitans made that many mistakes.

    That's my perception as well. Sure, there was some abuse going on, but the TUs tended to work it out among themselves. What one TU troll-rated, another could up-rate if s/he felt it was improperly hidden. That's the way the system always worked, and I would argue it worked well. The idea that every TU must be of the same mind on each and every comment, as put forward by some of the more zealous anti-troll-rating advocates, is just bunkum. Given that this site is home to people from all across the Democratic spectrum, of every religion and none at all, from every part of the country and most of the world, it's simplistic to expect unanimity (or even uniformity) of opinion.

    but diaries like this aren't the answer. quite the opposite. this is same song, different tune. maybe worse.

    You're right, we don't want to have call-out diaries that anyone could read. Everybody has hot buttons, and we all have bad nights/days, and I don't think there's anybody writing on this site who's been here longer than the three months it now takes to get TU status that hasn't gotten at least one zero or maybe even had a comment hidden. But those are relatively rare instances, unlike the genuine trolls who come in and spew the same garbage multiple times across the same thread (and often across multiple diaries as well). Once upon a time, when one of those was identified, TUs could go hog wild and zero out every one of the comments, and the commenter would quickly lose privileges.

    That doesn't seem to happen anymore. I'm extremely dubious about peeder's assertion that someone in administration is looking over the hidden comments and taking action to ban the repeat offenders--because the repeat offenders keep right on offending. And if he thinks autoban is so frickin' evil, then why was it (a) included in the interface in the first place and (b) fixed in the latest go-round? Autoban is there for a specific purpose, so I fail to see how helping that purpose along can reasonably be considered a bad thing.

    I have repeatedly suggested that TUs get a link to a report abuse if they've run out of zeroes. That can either be hotlined to the admins and front-pagers (which was my original concept), or it could serve as a troll reporting open thread that only TUs would see--so nobody else would be exposed to the crap that's on there, and only people who could do something about the abuse would ever see the call-outs.

    But ever since I told him what I thought of his latest revisions to the ratings system, peeder has studiously ignored every suggestion I've made (and every bug report, too, for that matter). I guess I've committed the cardinal sin of telling him what he thought were cornflakes were actually horse apples. But maybe if someone else makes the suggestion it will finally get through.

    •  i have no idea ... (1+ / 0-)
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      musing85

      ... what should be put in its place. i honestly don't. i've begun thinking of dkos as its own ecological niche and wonder if the solution simply hasn't evolved yet or o/w moved into the arena --- you know, moved in the sense that hawks these days flock to the sound of tractors because they've figured out that mowing uncovers rats, mice, voles and other tasty goodies.

      with hawks analogous to the solution, and mice, rats & voles, the trolls.

      and i can't speak for peeder, but my sense of him is he speaks when he has something to say. maybe he has nothing to say because --- well, for whatever reason. maybe he's waiting to see what happens with the new changes. maybe he has no answers. and maybe he thinks you're the dkos equivalent of the devil incarnate :=D, although i seriously doubt it. look at his dinner last night --- given what i've seen [and envied] about your own dining choices, i suspect you two have much more in common than not. but i shouldn't even be speaking to that because --- well, i'm not peeder!

      all i know is that my gut tells me it will get worse before it gets better and those of us who care about dkos need to simply dig our heels in and wait for the voice of the ---um --- muses ;-) to strike with the solution.

      or maybe it will take a series of solutions. i don't know.

      just don't despair. my gut also says it will work out if we're willing to endure a bumpy ride.

      then again, my gut's been wrong before! but honestly, not that often.

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