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  •  having the means to get to your job shouldnt be.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...one of those rich person "perks."

    I live in the most rural state in the country. Theres a lot of poverty here. Gas taxes hurt the working class disproportionately, financially and in terms of opportunities. You might not like to hear it, but it's an absolute fact. Not all of us live in cities will public transportation.

    If you folded a workable version of some of those ideas into a gas tax proposal, okay. But just saying - "well we could do cool things with the money" aint enough. The cool things need to be as front-and-center as the tax itself, or they're just sound bites.

    ...and the notion that "oh well, there are some things that rich people can do that poor people cant" is a completely Republican sentiment when you're talking about people's livelihoods. This isn't a luxury tax we're discussing, and it's rather extreme example of doing the out-of-touch-elitist-liberal thing if we try to pretend it is a luxury. In our society, driving is often part of survival.

    And that's another inconvenient truth. At the end of the day, we can't fix climate change and energy policy on the backs of the poor.

    Get over to the Green Mountain Daily! What are you still reading this sig for?

    by odum on Sun Jun 18, 2006 at 07:55:16 PM PDT

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    •  One correction (0+ / 0-)

      and continued disagreement.

      • "Not sure that cheap gas to be burned in fuel-efficient vehicles is one of those." -- should have had "fuel-inefficient" ...
      • FYI -- if we don't fix energy policy and climate change, then who are those most likely not to be on whatever lifeboats that might exist.
      • Note -- EA2020 does not have gas tax in it. If it did, I would be advocating strongly for inclusion of drection of funding for the type of things that I suggest.
      • Winning the Oil Endgame has a very interesting discussion about the importance of reliable, fuel-efficient transportation for helping people move up the economic ladder.

      But, at the end of the day, while you might want to assert that I am some sort of "Republican Troll", the current policies are so disastrous that the cost of transportation -- without some pretty drastic moves to greater fuel efficiency and some alternative power (such as plug-ins) -- will be going up.  Without major change or without major increases in global warming gas emissions, you might be looking back at $3 gas with nostalgia in the not too distant future.  If the "regressive" gas tax had been imposed 20 years ago and incrementally (but predictably) increased, the "real" cost of that rural driving you are talking about would quite likely be far lower.  Since the (much) greater general efficiency (Rocky Mountain Instititute's concept for a 80 mpg SUV -- composite) would mean that people -- including the rural poor -- would be burning far fewer gallons (and, therefore, far fewer cents) per mile than is the case today.

      9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

      by besieged by bush on Sun Jun 18, 2006 at 08:09:55 PM PDT

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      •  pshaw (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not one of those folks who insists people I disagree with are trolls. No way.

        I do think that the "poor are on their own" attitude in regards to matters of survival is a republican tenet, and I'll always say "watch out" when I see it  in a lefty.

        Get over to the Green Mountain Daily! What are you still reading this sig for?

        by odum on Sun Jun 18, 2006 at 08:20:42 PM PDT

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    •  One of those cool things (0+ / 0-)

      we could do with the money is build light rail to those rural areas.  The Car Guys proposal explicitly mentions improved mass transit.

      I remember riding small trains through the very rural parts of Switzerland.  Just fields and cows, and a farm house in the middle of nowhere, with an on-demand train stop at the end of their driveway.  School kids would come home from lunch, on the train (they had discount monthly passes).

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