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  •  Ha (1+ / 0-)
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    Elise

    I've heard you make that argument before!

    Or, I mean, I didn't.

    Damn. I'm not good at keeping things on background.

    It does show you what happens when you don't break stories on your own terms. If the existence of Townhouse had been acknowledged earlier the TNR piece wouldn't have been written.

    •  Hey... (9+ / 0-)

      You have, indeed...

      But the thing is, this isn't a story.  I understand all the concerns you expressed that day about the "clubby" and "insider" nature of the whole thing...  and I have to leave it to minds larger than mine to give the appropriate response (sorry for the cop-out), but the salient fact to me is that Townhouse serves an extremely useful purpose.

      Asking the left to do without message coordination and development...  asking influential progressives to leave all the organizing to Republicans... well, that's just surrender...

      and the difference between progressive vs republican coordination/organization is that we are not organized from the top-down.  Nobody has swept into town with bucketloads of money that they spread around and use as a message discipline tool.  On the right, all of their leading messengers are funded by a warped market corrupted by Scaife, Moonie and Coors money.  If a conservative suddenly had an idea of their own that undermined the greater cause, the paid players would ostracise and marginalize the transgressor.

      We in the netroots get 95% our ideas from the netroots.  Messages that work filter upwards - not down from Mehlman's paid pollsters.  And if you want an example - look at all the scorn and ridicule that's been heaped upon a) "Together, America can do better" and b) "A Nude Erection for America" - that garbage came from Democratic pollsters somewhere in the beltway...  Our leadership asked us to swallow it, but we puked it right back up at them...

      Anyway, this has become a rant, but the reason the TNR hit is so much bullshit is that they've essentially accused Kos of modeling this movement on what the right does...  It's the old Rovian tactic of accusing your opponent of being weak where they are strongest.  They did it out of envy and fear, and they deserve to die a slow and painful death.   They are dinosaurs and we are the cute little mammals that are on our way to replacing them.  I'll be glad when every last one of the mean and toothy bastards are gone.

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        kid oakland

        I agree with what you're saying but I don't think it really has that much to do with my point.

        I think it boils down to my opinion that Townhouse could probably serve all of the message coordination and development purposes the progressive movement needs without being so treehouse-level hush-hush.

        My general rule of thumb is that secrecy ends up being less helpful in the long run than transparency, even though there always seem to be such good arguments for it at the time.

        I'm not arguing that we're too much or not enough like the other side. That's not really what I'm getting at.

      •  Mike, (1+ / 0-)
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        BarbaraB

        can I have your babies? You are a MENSCH.

        "We lucky few! We band of bloggers!"--Malacandra

        by Sharoney on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 01:25:18 PM PDT

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