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  •  Focusing on flag-burning and video games (2+ / 0-)
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    and continuing to support a war that is clearly unsupportable, unwinnable and unsustainable (on moral, military, geopolitical and political levels), for starters. And talking about moral values and religion right after the '04 election when exit polls seemed to indicate that that's what a plurality of voters cared about. And talking about plantations to a mostly African-American crowd. And so on.

    She fights the easy fights and panders to various groups in ways that are clearly intended to resonate with them. This just reeks of crafty inauthenticity. I'd almost be OK with this if it helped her actually accomplish meaningful things in the senate (e.g. supporting Feingold's resolution or being tougher on the administration on its many transgressions), but it hasn't. It's just helped her raise money, as far as I can tell.

    I just don't get what her fans see in her. Examples, please?

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

    by kovie on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM PDT

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    •  her position on the war (1+ / 0-)
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      is hardly a hairbredths different than a lot of male candidates you will or would give a pass to.  

      mcjoan is the new Armando

      by TeresaInPa on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 11:15:10 AM PDT

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      •  Your inference is unwarranted and unfair (2+ / 0-)
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        Where and how exactly did I in any way focus on or discuss her gender in this or any other comment I've made about her, in a way that has anything to do with my criticisms of her? I challenge you to come up with even one. I seriously doubt that there are any.

        When I criticize Hillary, it has absolutely nothing to do with her gender, and everything to do with my disappointment with her on so many fronts, and with the fact that as one of the most visible Democrats in office these days of either gender, she has done a horrible job of leading, whether on her own or in concert with other prominent Democrats.

        She moved to a prominent state in which she'd never lived before for the express purpose of running for an open senate seat, knowing that her fame and popularity with that state's Democratic majority, and her and her husband's many political connections and pull in the party, would make it vastly easier for her to win that seat. I was ok with that and voted for her, thinking that she'd live up to the immense expectations that this fast track to political power placed upon her.

        Well, in my any many, many peoples' opinion, she has failed to lived up to those expectations, and then some, and thus deserves the criticism that she's getting, and then some--and NONE of it is because of her gender. Not from me at least, and not, I believe, from most Democrats. She's simply not a very good senator, that's all, and the fact that she nudged her way into this seat makes it all the more maddening.

        It's like a child who begs, cries and pleads for a particular toy, and then, when his or her parents finally relent and buy it for them, they play with it for 5 minutes and then discard it. Perhaps she's not quite that bad, but if she wanted to be a senator this badly, then damn it, she should start acting like one, or let a more talented, courageous and imaginative one take over.

        And btw, I'm just as frustrated with any number of other Democrats of both genders, e.g. Kerry in his refusal to defend himself against the Swift Boat attacks, Gore in 2000 for running such a feckless campaign, Dayton for being a non-entity these past 5+ years, Harman for consistently siding with the administration over the war and wiretaps, Landrieu for siding with big business over and over, etc.

        But Hillary is more prominent than all of them, and given the circumstances under which she gained this seat, I think that she's vastly failed to live up to the expectations both implicit and explicit, that came with it. It's like she views it as an entitlement and possible steppingstone to bigger and better things, and I resent her wasting it when her party and country need and expect so much of her--or of anyone in that seat.

        Don't change the subject.

        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

        by kovie on Thu Jun 22, 2006 at 12:42:17 PM PDT

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