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  •  I love the ad but... (1+ / 0-)
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    The ad was absolutely amazing.  Best political ad I have seen in many years.  Though I am still having a hard time fully supporting Lamont.  If you are mad at Lieberman for not filibustering judges I think you are going to far to attack a Democrat.  The only reason I am upset at Lieberman is that it seems he constantly underminds the Democratic message.  I will not support Lamont just because of Iraq and I don't think people should not support Lieberman because of Iraq.  At this point I think Lieberman will loss the primary and really that is to bad because he is fighting for what he believes in it is just that his State disagrees with them.  The fact is if he lived in any midwest, southern, or western state he wouldn't be in this trouble and I don't think the netroots would be attacking him as much.

    •  In the Senate (17+ / 0-)

      representing the views of the people of his state IS his job.

    •  No, that's not true (8+ / 0-)

      Well, the part about if he lived in the South he wouldn't be under attack might be true, but that's half the point - what is a state as Democratic as CT doing with a DINO in the Senate?

      It's not just the war, and he's not Mr. Noble following his principles.  I wish I could remember the details of an article I read that reminds people of what he's said and how he's voted over the years, but it's really shocking.  There was a diary.  I'll see if I can find it.

      The only person Lieberman cares about is Lieberman, and keeping his position.  

    •  I Live In The Midwest (10+ / 0-)

      If Lieberman was my Senator and was actively being Bush's go to guy when the Republicans wanted to take down the Dems, I would be working to defeat him in a primary.

    •  For the umpteenth time... (10+ / 0-)

      It's not Lieberman's positions at issue here. It's the fact that he constantly attacks and undermines his fellow Democrats, and gives Bush "bipartisan" cover to advance his far-right agenda.

      THAT is the problem with Lieberman.

      •  Did you people actually read my post? (0+ / 0-)

        smokem: I made the point that he isn't representing his state

        Angry White Democrat: I made the point that his views arent the main problem for me but his damaging the Democratic message.  

        •  I did read your post.. (2+ / 0-)
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          and you did make those two points.. but you also said that it is too bad he will probably lose, which doesn't make sense since

          1. he isn't representing his state

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          1. he is damaging the Democratic message.

          I do not understand why you think it is too bad that he will probably lose.

        •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

          " just that his State disagrees with them."  That is it in a nutshell- Democrats in his state don't agree, but he acts as if 1. He isn't obligated to listen to what the people of his state want if he doesn't feel like it, and that because he already holds the seat they don't have the right to find someone in the party who will. That is the worst kind of arrogance, and the very quality of the party in charge that is destroying our country as we speak.

    •  I too ( also) think Leiberman (1+ / 0-)
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      Should move to (adverb, direction) another State, or country, one of the two (a number). And his stand on the illegal war is more than enough for me.

      Everybody eats, nobody hits.

      by upperleftedge on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 05:06:39 PM PDT

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    •  It's the dishonesty (6+ / 0-)

       Lieberman claims to have opposed right-wing extremist judges, but rolled out the red carpet for Alito in his cloture vote, the vote that mattered.

        Then he voted against Alito on the floor, where he was a shoo-in to get confirmed.

         Joe wasn't interested in stopping Alito, who's now busily undermining Democratic values every chance he gets. Joe was interested in making it look like he wanted to stop Alito.

        It's a brand of rank dishonesty that's beyond the pale even for a politician. Especially a politician who's always sanctimoniously waxing about his religion and his morality.

      "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

      by Buzzer on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 05:08:55 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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        Except for the part about it being "beyond the pale even for a politician." To me it seems like  completely ordinary, run-of-the-mill, everyday dishonesty that for the most part doesn't even get noticed. A politician distorting his record: so what else is new?

        Rabid lamb spewing venom.

        by Red Bean on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 06:48:59 PM PDT

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        •  I don't think it's ordinary (2+ / 0-)
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           Most politicians who distort their records do so to appear more centrist than they really are. This is especially true of rightwingers (I'm looking at you, John McCain), but the left does it too. But there's usually no real question about where a particular politician lands on the ideological spectrum.

           But Lieberman is a rightwinger who's trying to pass himself off as center-left. His committee and procedural votes are carefully crafted to enable a right-wing agenda to go through, while his floor votes are calculated to give the impression that he tried to stop it.

           John McCain might try to sound moderate on occasion, but he sure as heck doesn't vote moderate -- quite the opposite. Joe Lieberman actually votes against the values of his nominal party -- but tries to conceal it by window-dressing his record with meaningless stocking-stuffer floor votes. That kind of practice, IMHO, is more deceptive -- it's the source of the talking point by Lieberman apologists that "he voted reliably Dem most of the time".

           He's finally being called out on it.

          "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

          by Buzzer on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 06:59:27 PM PDT

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          •  He has lots of company (2+ / 0-)
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            gogol, Heart of the Rockies

            Twenty-five Democrats voted against cloture, the vote that mattered when Alito was up for confirmation. Forty-one Democrats and one Republican voted against confirmation, which we know was a sideshow. Do you think that Lieberman is the only one who's going to claim that he voted against Alito? How about Chafee, Lieberman's Republican neighbor who voted the same way? He's guaranteed to try to the same ploy, wouldn't you say?

            I'm with you all the way on the notion that Lieberman votes right and talks left when he has to win a primary. And he's shameless. OK, sneaky, as you suggest. But not unique.

            Rabid lamb spewing venom.

            by Red Bean on Mon Jun 26, 2006 at 07:16:28 PM PDT

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    •  Contrary to the MSM narrative (0+ / 0-)

      Ned Lamont is not a one issue, Iraq-only candidate. On issue after issue he commits to stand up for Connecticut, while Joe Lieberman flip flops between stealth democrat and Bush puppet.

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