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  •  gerrymandering is so below the public's radar (19+ / 0-)

    this is not an issue that the public pays attention to.  You can't say "we won't gerrymander, it's wrong" while the Republicans gerrymander seat after seat into Republican hands.  The prospects of controlling the government will disappear.

    That high road you are talking about leads off a cliff.  Dems should gerrymander first, give Repugs a taste of their own medicine (giving Hastert a 60% Dem district), and then work on a "mutual disarmament" solution a la Iowa.

    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

      If you walked up to someone and asked them what gerrymander was, they'd wouldn't know what to tell you.

      Part of winning is taking Republican tactics/language and throwing it back in their face.

      Like the bullys and spoiled-brats that they are, they'll just go whining away.

      Independent Illinois Grassroots:

      by patachon on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 10:58:38 AM PDT

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    •  I don't understand! (1+ / 0-)
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      Dems should gerrymander first, and then the Republicans will agree to mutual disarmament? Democrats have been gerrymandering for decades, and it hasn't made Republicans any more amenable to compromise. Gerrymandering has been going on for 200 years; the idea that more of it will somehow solve the problem is misguided.

      •  Except that it hasn't gone on for 200 years (8+ / 0-)

        The large scale computer-driven gerrymander has only existed since 1990.  Before that, there was much less science to it and districts were MUCH more susceptible to swings.  That is why you had big turnovers in a lot of the mid-term elections.  A national "tide" was much bigger in those days.

        Having worked on gerrymandering issues professionally, I can say the type of gerrymandering that is currently taking place is several evolutions away from Gerry Mander's old efforts.  This is scientific, block-by-block, highly effective district drawing.  The Republicans that drew the Illinois map in 1990 knew exactly how many seats were going to go R and how many would go D.  They hit it right on the nose.

        Taking out the Speaker of the House with a mid-decade gerrymander is PRECISELY the type of high profile action that is likely to lead to a mutual disarmament treaty.

    •  Only if you let it be (1+ / 0-)
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      The oNe common postion that unites votes of every poltical stripe is cynicism and digsut at the current sorry state of poltical affairs.  The average citizen may not be able to tell a gerrymander from a salamander, but they al have an unshaebale feeling that the game is crooked and something ain't right.   And that feeling is correct.  If you put a name to that dread by explaining what gerrymandering is and what it does, you can get them awfully pissed off about it in a hurry

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Thu Jun 29, 2006 at 12:15:47 PM PDT

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