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  •  I'm not exactly sure that's why O'Hair (1+ / 0-)
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    disappeared. On one of those crime shows (which BTW I love to watch) it's surmised that she was murdered by someone who was embezzeling money from her organization. So maybe that a cover up or maybe it's not. There are some nutty folks out there.

    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      fiddly bits, Fabian

      Presumably, the threat-maker didn't know that.  And that was someone who was on the school board (previously, but still!)  Hardly a lone nutcase.

      Throw the bums out!

      by Mikey on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 08:54:37 AM PDT

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    •  More to the Point (8+ / 0-)

      ....the reference to Madelyn Murray O'Hare makes it plain that the bigotry involved here is broad-based bigotry toward all non-Christians, not solely Jews.

      Framing the issue as "anti-Semitism" amounts to a fundamental mis-statement of the problem, however well-intentioned or deeply felt the individuals doing so may be.

      •  Specially 'godless atheists' (1+ / 0-)
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        If these Christianists don't get checked we will all end up in exile or "work" camps.; an oasis of truth. -1.75 -7.23

        by Shockwave on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:58:31 AM PDT

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      •  Missing the point (2+ / 0-)
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        The folks in Delaware may be bigotted toward all non-Christians, but the references to yarmulkes and Christ-killing make it plain that bigotry towards Jews is the specific situation here.

        Why is it so hard for you to recognize such clear expressions of anti-Semitism that you repeatedly make this same argument?

        Kossites should be able to agree on condemning every form of ethnic, racial, religious, sexual and other biases.

        •  You Are The One Missing The Point (0+ / 0-)

          It's not all about the Jews.

          It's all about the First Amendment and the Constitution.

          But that's a secondary issue as far as you're concerned. And that's an issue for me.

          •  Please don't presume (6+ / 0-)

            to tell me what is primary or secondary for me. Earlier today I posted this:

            There is but one Hatred but it has many names (3+ / 0-)
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            and we should fight hatred in all its manifestations and name all of its names. Hatred of Jews, Muslims, Catholics, mainstream Protestants, atheists, African-Americans, Native Americans, latinos, whites, gays... (the list is too long) should be recognized and opposed by each of us, whichever of these groups we fall into (of if we somehow fall into none).

            by word is bond on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:17:32 AM EDT

            and this

            An attack by them on any of the groups they hate (0 / 0)
            is an attack on all of them, and members of each group need to be concerned (as well as anybody who just cares to save America).

            by word is bond on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 02:48:20 PM EDT

            You chose to focus only on the reference to Madelyn Murray O'Hare, but what happened in Delaware was not limited to that. I'm sure there were as many varieties of bigotry to go around as there were bigots.

            Of course it's about the Constitution and the First Amendment, but it's also about non-governmental action that's not barred by the First Amendment, like private citizens in a meeting room who yell hatred at a 6-year-old kid.

            Elsewhere in this thread there's a report about somebody who rolled the head of a pig into a mosque where people were knelt in prayer. That's not about the Constitution or the First Amendment, it's about a private manifestation of hatred that should be condemned by everyone. I don't know what was going through the mind of the perpetrator, but judging by the action I would say that some part of it was prejudice towards Muslims.

            I hope we can agree that the Indian River story is an expression of intolerance both towards non-Christians in general and towards a Jewish family - as well as another unidentified family - in particular.

            •  I'm Interested In The First Amendment (2+ / 0-)
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              lunacat, word is bond

              Otherwise, the best policy is let curable assholes know that they're being assholes, an activity which is  -- get this -- protected by the same First Amendment.

              For the incurable assholes, the best policy is to ignore them.

              Adults yelling at six year olds? Certainly assholes, but mob psychology is a funny thing. Pick a ringleader and tell him to leave the poor kid alone with a body posture that suggests a willingness to take it up a notch if he and his people don't chill the fuck out.

              Adults involved in public religious sartorial displays? Leave them alone.

              Adults rolling pigs heads into a mosque? That should be covered by criminal trespass, creating a nuisance, and incitement to riot.

              The Indian River story is most certainly an expression of intolerance both towards non-Christians in general and towards a Jewish family - as well as another unidentified family - in particular.

              But it is also, more generally, an expression of intolerance of the fundamentally secular basis of our government and our society.

        •  I note your 'Kossites', word is bond, (1+ / 0-)
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          and I feel you.  Using the word "Kossacks" in this diary thread feels way, way too weird.  I haven't used Kossacks at all on DKos, that I can remember, because of its historical associations; Kosmopolitans, maybe?

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