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  •  The very religious Catholics today (5+ / 0-)

    have a LOT in common with fundamentalists - they believe that premarital sex and abortion are both very serious sins, they believe that if you are not their religion you are going to hell, they believe that gay sex is a mortal sin, worthy of hell. They care more about the sexual sins than they care about the sins of greed and ignoring your neighbor in need.

    The "new" Catholic Church wears the face of Bill Donohue, who is a hate-monger and a bigot. The transcript is from Scarborough, talking about "The Passion of Christ" movie.

    WILLIAM DONAHUE, PRESIDENT, CATHOLIC LEAGUE:  I spoke to Mel a couple of weeks ago about this.  And I don‘t think it really matters a whole lot to him.  It certainly doesn‘t matter to me.  We‘ve already won.

    Who really cares what Hollywood thinks?  All these hacks come out there.  Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular.  It‘s not a secret, OK?  And I‘m not afraid to say it.  That‘s why they hate this movie.  It‘s about Jesus Christ, and it‘s about truth.  It‘s about the messiah.

    Hollywood likes anal sex.  They like to see the public square without nativity scenes.  I like families.  I like children.  They like abortions.  I believe in traditional values and restraint.  They believe in libertinism.  We have nothing in common.  But you know what?  The culture war has been ongoing for a long time.  Their side has lost.

    You have got secular Jews.  You have got embittered ex-Catholics, including a lot of ex-Catholic priests who hate the Catholic Church, wacko Protestants in the same group, and these people are in the margins.  Frankly, Michael Moore represents a cult movie.  Mel Gibson represents the mainstream of America.  

    Just like the fundies.

    My file on Adigal: Another one of them left wing girls way too smart for our own good. Her phones need to be monitored.

    by adigal on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 10:11:58 AM PDT

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    •  Too many overtly religious Catholics, yes (3+ / 0-)
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      But many devoted Catholics are appalled by Donahue and his ilk.  Do not feed on some of your staunchest allies.  Check out the catholic workers for instance.

      •  I know there are progressive Catholics (2+ / 0-)
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        out there somewhere, but here in liberal NY, I just cannot find them. Seriously.

        My file on Adigal: Another one of them left wing girls way too smart for our own good. Her phones need to be monitored.

        by adigal on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 11:32:40 AM PDT

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        •  Please stop equating progressive Catholics (3+ / 0-)
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          with bigots. The "new" Catholic Church, whatever the heck that is, certainly isn't Bill Donohue.  

          Lots of non-Catholics weren't listening to to Pope John Paul II; I don't fault you for it --- he wasn't your Pope --- but those who were paying attention knew him to be a staunch defender of the poor, and a strong advocate for peace.  There's lots to disagree about within these parameters ...Pope JPII was hostile to liberation theology, for example.  But I don't believe JPII had a bigoted bone in his body.

          And sure, the Church has a deeply neurotic streak about sex and gender, and they just plain don't get it about gays (Although, if they'd simply follow Christ to the letter they wouldn't have to 'get it;' the 'getting it' would take care of itself in short order).  But the Church also has a deep yearning for people to love one another without the materialism -- the propensity to treat sexuality as a species of commerce -- that characterizes an awful lof of sexual life.

          Your characterization of Catholics as bigots rubs progressives the wrong way in exactly the same way as you would object if people characterized all Democrats as Southern Dixiecrats.  Same name, maybe, but a whole 'nother creature altogether.

          •  I am a Catholic. I went to Catholic school for 13 (4+ / 0-)
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            years.  I taught at Catholic school for 4 years.  You do not need to tell me about what the Catholic church used to be like.  But I did not hear any outcry when a number of bishops said that to vote for John Kerry is a confessionable sin because he is pro-choice.  I don't hear any other Catholic voices out there to compete with Bill Donohue.  I don't hear any of my friends, who all go to Mass every week and are the lectors and who serve Communion, do anything but bash gays and abortions.

            I think the Catholic church has been hijacked by its extreme elements.  Now, if you could find me ONE Catholic Church within 1/2 hour of Saratoga Springs which openly welcomes gays, speaks out against war, does not tell women they are going to hell for using birth control or having an abortion, I would truly welcome the information.  Because I have been looking for two years and have not found one. So any info would be greatly appreciated because I am NOT having my kids confirmed into the bigotry and hatred I see in all of the Catholic churches around me.

            My file on Adigal: Another one of them left wing girls way too smart for our own good. Her phones need to be monitored.

            by adigal on Wed Jul 05, 2006 at 12:39:00 PM PDT

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            •  My only suggestion (1+ / 0-)
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              is that if you're near Saratoga Springs, you must be near the college there.  Campus ministries are often much more progressive than old-neighborhood parishes, and especially at a woman's college like Skidmore, I'm betting you'll find Catholics aplenty who don't buy into the Opus Dei-fication of the Catholic Church!

              It's worth it for your kids to be confirmed because of the worth of the sacrament itself ...something very real happens to people who make this commitment!

    •  Catholics (0+ / 0-)

      When I lived in New Orleans, I met quite a few fundementalist Catholics.  I was disappointed.  There seemed to be a huge hypocritical line between their obvious religiousity and how they actually lived their lifes.  Extreme greed and materialism struck me in particular.  Authoritarism, no questions, seemed very acceptable as well.

      Of course, not all Catholics but I certainly met a fair number just as I described.

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