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    that was a bad comment.

    But your sincere apology is an example to us all.

    Ok, semi-retired from blogging. Returning fulltime in December.

    by Armando on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 08:38:27 PM PDT

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    •  yes, it is. (3+ / 0-)
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      no harm in being thoughtful. PBS recently aired another of Bill Moyers' stimulating interviews, this one was with http://the philosopher Colin McGinn (author of one of my favorite books).

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      BILL MOYERS: What brought this festival of writers together on faith and reason is the growing chorus of voices that are calling for the protection of religious sensibilities and sensitivities against offense, against the insult. There's something going on here. How do you see it?

      COLIN MCGINN: Well, the notion of insult is a slippery one, isn't it? And does it include criticism? I mean, are you insulting somebody's religious beliefs if you criticize them?

      BILL MOYERS: Well, the people think that you are.

      COLIN MCGINN: They do think that you are.

      BILL MOYERS: And they want protection for their beliefs.

      COLIN MCGINN: Yeah, that, I think, is wrong. Nobody can have their beliefs protected from rational criticism. If insulting people includes shouting at them and calling them names, that's very bad behavior. But should it be prohibited by law? Maybe, if it's very extreme. But if people just want to have their belief system protected from every form of rational scrutiny, I don't have any sympathy for that. I think there's got to be a very firm distinction between criticism and persecution. And I think people misunderstand the idea of tolerance often. They think that tolerance is the same thing as lack of criticism. But to me, tolerating somebody else's beliefs is not failing to criticize them. It's not persecuting them for having those beliefs. That is absolutely important. You should not persecute people for their beliefs. It doesn't mean you can't criticize their beliefs. Those are not the same thing. I think people have tended to sort of run these two things together, and they perceive criticism as if it was persecution. But it isn't.

      BILL MOYERS: You know, there was a time when you could die for being on the wrong side of this equation. You could be on the wrong side of God and that was it.

      COLIN MCGINN: You could die for not just being on the wrong side in the sense of not believing in God, but also for believing in God in the wrong way. You know, Elizabethan England, if you believed in God in the Catholic way when there was a Protestant in power or vice versa, you could not just die, but you could be tortured to death because of it.

      Which led me to the notion that we ought never confuse belligerence with logic.

      Imprison the Torturer-in-Chief

      by Monique Radevu on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 09:01:53 PM PDT

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      •  Confusing belligerence (3+ / 0-)
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        with logic.

        Actually I fear the risk is the reverse.

        Passion, anger, belligerence is too often treated as illogic.

        Ergo, the Media and the Right call us the Angry Left.

        I believe your concern is misplaced.

        Ok, semi-retired from blogging. Returning fulltime in December.

        by Armando on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 09:03:54 PM PDT

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        •  honestly, they are 2 separate things. (1+ / 0-)
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          & both left & right confuse themselves with them; just as one example: Bob Novak puffs himself up over some perceived slight (a daily experience for him?), & deludes himself into thinking his anger is some species of thinking. Hell, that's his career.

          Logic can be delivered passionately; I've done that daily since I knew how. Anger, though, is trickier, I'd rather have a bit o' fun, but there is a beast named malicious glee, & a case can be made that that's what the idiotright, the Bill O.s, the Coulterbeast, have earned themseves.

          But the ideologues, the weasels, the cheats & the enablers: Grover, the rovecrew, the Admin, have taken the things most worth loving in our country, & they destroy, & have no shame or understanding. Armando, I'm every bit as angry as you. Don't doubt that.

          Imprison the Torturer-in-Chief

          by Monique Radevu on Tue Jul 11, 2006 at 09:40:42 PM PDT

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