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  •  Trash (6+ / 0-)
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    Scipio, Adam B, DemDog, denise b, Pumpkinlove, bsci

    That post is the biggest bunch of crap I've seen on these pages since I've been reading DailyKos.  The "facts" presented are laughable for anyone who knows anything about the history of the Middle East.  Just one point that shows how laughable it is, when the poster said the "first 2 prime ministers of Israel were Gurion and Begin."  David Ben Gurion was indeed the first PM of Israel, but the second was Golda Meir and Begin didn't become PM until 1977 -- about 30 years after the creation of the State of Israel. In fact, Ben Gurion & Begin were always bitter enemies.  Ben Gurion fought hard for the partition plan while Begin opposed it because he was a terrorist leading the Irgun against the British occupation in 1947 and refused to join the Hagannah -- the predecessor of the Israeli Army -- due to the Hagannah being under the command of Ben Gurion.

    Also, the founder of Zionism, Theodore Herzl, never advocated for Palestine to be the home of the new Jewish state; he was for Jews purchasing land in west Africa.  The earliest European Jewish settlers in Palestine after WWI all legally bought their lands from Arab owners, but were regularly massacred anyway.  A famous massacre took place as early as 1923, with many unarmed Jewish settlers (and legal landowners) murdered by Arab terrorists.

    Virtually none of what is written by this poster is historically accurate.  Thus, since his facts are all wrong, his conclusions are equally erroneous.

    •  Take a logic class (4+ / 0-)
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      He can be 100% correct in his conclusions even if his premises aren't accurate.  And, though he has some inaccuracies in his diary, he pretty much IS.

      Why is it that defenders of Israel are never willing to address the fundamental moral question of how it is justified to transplant an alien population into land occupied by someone else and then call the original tenants unreasonable for being unhappy about it?

      What a sad time it is when 2/3 of the country hates America.

      by Dracowyrm on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 01:36:13 PM PDT

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      •  Good point... (1+ / 0-)
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        denise b

        I'm very well versed in the "Even if my facts are wrong, it's all correct because I said so" school of logical reasoning.

        Lots of cutting edge work on that theory is being done in Miss Washington's first grade class as we speak.

        •  Okay, stormhit--for the logic impaired... (1+ / 0-)
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          If I say that the sky is blue because the icy breath of a giant space gorgon makes it that way, does that mean the sky is not blue?

          What a sad time it is when 2/3 of the country hates America.

          by Dracowyrm on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:25:40 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, but (0+ / 0-)

            There would be little point in arguing with you if your argument was based on the giant space gorgon.

            As stormhit said, you have reduced the argument to "because I said so".

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