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  •  nowhere do i claim (0+ / 0-)

    that jews started all the problems in the middle east.
    They did'nt start the Iran/Iraq war.  Or the civil war in Jordan.  Please do not lie about what I said. No where did I express hatred for jews. I do believe they started the 48 and 67 war. If you believe otherwise, then back up your asserations like I did. I I clearly stated in my essay that the history of racism against jews and the european colonial mindset is partly to blame.  Not everyone who is against zionism is anti-jew.  I am hopeful that if you calm down  we can have a positve dialogue instead of name calling.  I can tell that I touched a nerve in you, I in no way desired to cause you emotional pain. I sincerely wish you the best, it saddens me that this issue has turned you against me.  Good luck to you in the future, I wish you the best.

    •  You do not 'back up your asserations'. (0+ / 0-)

      You do not "back up your asserations".

      Making statements is not backing up anything.

      For example, I don't believe that Rabin would not think Nasser wanted war.  I can't find the original statement anywhere.  I even went to the library to try and find the original French article.

      It is all over the internet, but only on sites rife with anti semitism.

      Nasser called for war with Israel over and over again.  If he didn't want war, why would he close the Straits?  Rabin knew that the closure of the Strait of Tiran was the casus belli in 1967.
      Israel's attack was a reaction to this Egyptian first strike. President Johnson acknowledged as much after the war (June 19, 1967):

      If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Strait of Tiran would be closed. The right of innocent maritime passage must be preserved for all nations.

      •  I find it funny. (0+ / 0-)

        That im the one supposedly not backing up my sources.  I don't think you have given a source for any of your claims.    You completely ignore all facts not favorable to israel.  You unfortunately live in a world of denial.  Its no suprise that President Johnson Took Israel's side, THe american Presidents always side with Israel.    

        •  OK, digest this.. (0+ / 0-)

          From your Diary:

          "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it." Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's Chief of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

          The actual quote:

          "I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai on 14 May [1967] would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."

          What is the difference?  The date of course.  Perhaps on May 14th, Nasser did not want war.  HOWEVER many things happened between May 14 and June 5. Egypt ordered the UN peacekeepers to leave, Egypt blockaded Israel's Red Sea Port. Egypt moved another 5 divisions to the Israeli Border, 100,000 troops in all. Egyptian dictator Nasser threatened Israel with genocide.

          Here is the original in FRENCH:

          Q. Penser-vous que Nasser a fait semblait de croire a vos menaces parce qu'il cherchait a provoquer la guerre?

          A. Je ne pense pas que Nasser voulait la guerre. Les deux divisions qu'il envoya dans le Sinai, le 14 mai, n'aurient pas suffi pour declencher une offensive contre Israel. Il le savait, et nous le savions.

          I actually went to the library, and looked it up on microfiche.  

          This is how I found this little tidbit, Rabin also said in the same interview:

          A en juger par les sept divisions qu'il envoya dans le Sinai, apres le fermiture d'Akaba, il savait pourtant que nous considererions son geste comme un casus belli.

          Translated as:

          judging by the seven divisions which he sent to Sinai after the closure of Aqaba, he knew that we would consider his gesture to be a casus belli.

          SO, in the exact same interview that you say shows Rabin didn't believe that the Arabs started the 1967 war,  the same interview that helped convince you that the Israelis started the 1967 war, Rabin clearly states that Egypt did start the 1967 war.

          By leaving out the date, and quoting out of context, you are purposly decieving (or decieved, you pick).

          I am not ignoring FACTS, I am ignoring your opinions that you present as facts.

          SLAM DUNK!!!

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