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  •  I am looking into the rabin quote. (0+ / 0-)

    The source I read it from did not put it in the context you did. Not that I don't trust you, but since you are constantly sladering me I will take the time to verify it, but since I work full time and don't speak french it will take me some time.  
    I did'nt get the quote from an anti-semtic website, I got it from a website done by Jews who believe a great injustice has been done to palestinians.

    Your fact regarding settlements is just what usually happens(which you don't back up) not what the law or moral thing to do is.  

    The fact is even when There was peace in the 8 years leading up to 2000, Israel continued to expand its illegal(FACT) settlements.  I think over that time there was only one terrorist attack from Palestinians(and I also believe during this time Palestinians were murdered by Jewish extrimists, and the settlements continued to expand, a war crime).    

    It is a lie that israel has only asked for  peace and security.  they have asked to illegally build settlements, immorally take quality land and natural resources, leaving the palestinians in a humamanitarian crisis to better there financial and economic situation, at the behest of the extremist right.

    Jews have not been ethnically cleansed from every arab land. There are still jewish communities in Syria and Iraq for example.  

    But even if that was true,It amazes me how many times you will excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. You say because Arabs discriminate against jews in other places it is okay to opress palestinians.  You justify killing innocent palestinian children intentionally by point ing out that palestinian terrorists attack innocents.  If you think killing innocents is wrong, then you should also think responding by killing innocents is wrong. Unfortunately you are the idealogical soulmate of osama bin laden, you think  the answer to disagreeing with a governemnts action is to kill there innocent civillians.    

    •  spreading a big lie (0+ / 0-)

      Over and over you state opinion as fact:
      "The fact is even when There was peace in the 8 years leading up to 2000, Israel continued to expand its illegal(FACT) settlements.  I think over that time there was only one terrorist attack from Palestinians(and I also believe during this time Palestinians were murdered by Jewish extrimists, and the settlements continued to expand, a war crime)."

      You think?  Or Fact?  You need to get this right.  It is very important to your thesis.

      BTW, the illegallity of settlements is debatable.  Not a fact, it is opinion.

      Either you are so wrong about terror attacks in Israel, or we need to define terror attacks.  In anycase deceptive whitewashing of palestinian terrorist attacks is extremely objectionable.

      I should not have to give you a big long list, but one example (FACT) - 1996, February 25 - March 4: A series of four suicide bombings in Israel leave 60 murdered and 284 wounded within just 10 days.  PEACE?  Only if you don't count Jewish bodies.

      Reality is that only after 2001 did the American Public start to take serious note of Terror attacks.

      Jews have been ethnically cleansed from every MUSLIM and Arab land. Communities that had 50,000 people now have less than 100 jews.  THAT IS ETHNIC CLEANSING.  Just because there might be a few jews left, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  I suppose there might be a few jews still living in the Ukraine as well.  You need to read about the 750,000 jews cleansed from Muslim and Arab lands after 1948.

      No right of return for them.

      It is ONLY YOUR OPINION that I ever "excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior".  HOWEVER, bad behavior that is the result of other bad behavior might just be the definition of self defence.  And I suspect the image of Jews defending themselves is a real problem for you.

      The Rabin quote is a very good example of slander.  The actual article says exactly the opposite of what you (and so many websites) try to say it does.  It cannot be an accident.  FACT - It is a perfect example of spreading a big lie.  If you don't correct your diary, you are guilty!

      •  More from the soulmate of OBL (0+ / 0-)

        in what is today Jordan?  Syria?  Iraq? UAE?  I want you to list how and when the ethnic cleansing occured in every arab country since you claim they all commited ethnic cleansing.

        "HOWEVER, bad behavior that is the result of other bad behavior might just be the definition of self defence. "
        attacking innocent civillians because other innocent civillians were killed is not self defence, it is murder, which you support by your previous comments in which you defended israeli's attacking civiliians because Hamas attacks civiliians.  I really hope you never gain a position in any government, since you are an advocate of killing civiliians.

        •  You call me Osama? (0+ / 0-)

          There is a funny rule about flame wars... The first person to call the other HITLER, loses.
          I think the same should apply when one calls the other Osama.  (I am actually laughing at this).

          I HAVE NEVER advocated the killing of civilians.

          Not once.  Not ever.  BUT thank for playing the game.

          BECAUSE YOU ASKED!  Can you please just look up "Jewish exodus from Arab lands" in Wikipedia?  Exodus is a nice word for what happened. (just to be clear, this is just one fast-to-find source.  If you desire others, I highly recommend Sir Martin Gilbert.)  You can also Google "jews expelled from arab".

          BTW it does not count if there were almost no jews to speak of in a Arab / Muslim land to begin with.  I mean of course that you don't see jews ethnicly cleansed where there are no jews to begin with.

          However lets look at the documentaion on Iraq.

          "In 1948, there were approximately 150,000 Jews in Iraq. In 2003, there were 100 left, though there are reports that small numbers of Jews are returning in the wake of the 2003 invasion of Iraq."

          Now the antisemites will try and relate that they just left on their own accord, in order to live in Israel.  OR that zionists forced them to leave, in order to convince them to live in Israel.  This never takes into consideration the official government role in arresting, torturing, and murdering jews. In every case this "emigration" followed documentable discrimination, harassment, persecution, and financial confiscation on the part of the majority population and/or government agencies.  FACT is that there were jews in Iraq before there was a Mohammed.  In fact there is evidence of Jews living in Iraq 2500 years ago.

          Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria, Iraq and Yemen. Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen, Morocco and Baghdad.  

          NOW LET US BE CLEAR I do not mention this in order to justify anything EXCEPT the creation of a land where jews can count on returning to.  There has to be a land where jewish refugees will be welcomed.  When people are killing jews wholesale, there must be a place to go.  There have been jews in Israel for more than 3000 years. Jews have though of Jerusalem as the religious home for more that 3000 years.

          So although I would have preferred they picked Hawaii, the enormous history forces the jews to settle in Israel.

          YOU talk about massacres. You talk about wholesale killing of Palestinians.  You called them victims of ethnic cleansing.  Yet the number of people who self identify as Palestinian has actually increased during the same time.  I certainly don't mean that palestinian people haven't been killed, and havn't suffered.  However I put the blame on the leadership of the Palestinian people (specifically Arafat).  I certainly see no indication or documentation of massacres (whole villages being slaughtered as is you opinion), or actual ethnic cleansing.  When I walked down the streets of Tel Aviv I saw Arabs, muslims, and palestinians.  Every sign I saw has arabic on it.  Muslim holidays are state holidays.  Arabic is an official language.  

          Ethnic Cleansing?  Nope.

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