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  •  I don't dislike her either (8+ / 0-)

    How could I dislike her after she sat right next to me and stuffed envelopes with other volunteers at her Hollywood campaign headquarters in 1991 and '92 during her first U.S. Senate campaign? As Ron Dellums said, simply, at an event for her during that campaign: "Barbara Boxer is a good person."

    But I'm extremely disappointed in her action here.

    And I find it ironic. Back in the '91-'92 campaign, she was an outsider and initially a huge underdog in the Democratic primary. Yet with the help of anti-war liberals (one of her opponents had voted for the first Iraq war), she mounted an idealistic, come-from-behind, victorious campaign. In my opinion, she's now turning her back on the same people who brought her to the Senate in the first place.

    A liberal is a conservative who's been hugged.

    by raatz on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 03:56:37 PM PDT

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    •  day 500 - Iraq War Daily Grief Witness (1+ / 0-)
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      hi raatz

      I know that this diary is about Babara Boxer's support for Lieberman, but you mentioned the war (now occupation) in Iraq, and I'm sort of on a mission - as you probably know RubDNC has been posting an important and disturbing series called Iraq War Grief Daily Witness and today is day 500 in that series

      Iraq War Grief Daily Witness (photos) Day 500

      I know that 500 is only a number, but I'm hoping that 500 readers will recommend the 500th diary in the series - if not 500, well hundreds would be nice - so please folks, show Rub some love.

      (pardon my intrusion & please go back to your conversation about my favorite senator from California)


    •  is it 'compartmentalization'? (0+ / 0-)

      I am a big JFK history buff, and I remember a great video I saw about the JFK assassination that described the psychological act of "compartmentalization", where JFK had to simultaneously maintain two incompatible lines of thought "compartmentalized" in his mind to keep such thoughts from clashing -

      one JFK internal psychological line of thought was that the mob had helped him win the 1960 presidential race (the mob certainly seemed to think so); the other JFK internal psychological line of thought incompatible with that was that mob influence in America must be curtailed, thus Bobby Kennedy's quite ferocious prosecution of the mob and mob influence (like Hoffa) under JFK -

      JFK therefore had to "compartmentalize" (isolate) these two incompatible lines of thought in his mind, to keep such thoughts from constantly clashing -

      is that what boxer is similarly doing here with joe?

      •  Have no idea what's in her mind (0+ / 0-)

        but Daniel Ellsberg is reporting that she's sent s resolution to the Foreign Relations committee calling for the re-deployment of all American forces out of Iraq by December 31.  Presumably of this year.

        Forget "GOD, GUNS, GAYS, GIRLS & GETS"

        by hannah on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 05:05:41 PM PDT

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    •  What is Barbara's favorite pie flavor? (0+ / 0-)

      Let's make sure that coconut cream, or vanilla custard, or meringue, or rasberry whatever it is is in good supply.

      and by the end of her "I'm a ProJoe babe!"trip to Connecticut, she can say "Gosh I am sure sick of those $#%@& pies...can we do another flavor?  or, is there someone else I should look at to support?" .

       Maybe it will take more than one to get the message across.

       a pie throw is about as expressive as you can get without being downright nasty, and overly violent...

      Call it Democratic bakery shop politics in action.

      Liberty! opportunity! security! That's the correct order. Let the Repubs tremble and wail. It's what they do best.

      by Pete Rock on Sun Jul 16, 2006 at 04:31:14 PM PDT

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      •  my thoughts exactly - (0+ / 0-)

        sometimes, it all comes down to pie time -

        the image of boxer dripping with a vanilla cream pie is magnificent,

        but, the "Kiss" float would be better, and safer.

      •  Really sad (2+ / 0-)
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        a pie throw is about as expressive as you can get without being downright nasty, and overly violent...

        Sorry, I just don't agree. For instance, I think Biden's a bum, but I wouldn't throw baked goods at him. It's a reactionary stunt, and Boxer is not deserving of that.

        So you disagree with her. Contact her office. Tell her. Ask her what it would take for her to support Lamont?

        For me, what it comes down to is this: she is an excellent representative. She has stood up to this corrupt administration. I can't mind-read; I have no idea why she is doing this, but I am wagering that she has her reasons. Maybe Joementum stood up for her in a tough spot. I don't really expect her to tell me why, if it's some private reason. She knows many Democrats and Kossacks are unhappy with her stand.

        Barbara Boxer is not in the same category of people I think deserve a pie: Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, O'Reilly. The woman is not a cartoon. You're free to say whatever you want to, but if some Lamont supporter or Lieberman-hater figured "I'll show her!" by slamming her with a pie, I'm not the only one here who would think it was the action of a juvenile fuck.

        •  yes, but (0+ / 0-)

          She has stood up to this corrupt administration.

          yes, but, now she is gonna come to CT to support one of this corrupt administration's most conspicuous war whores, so what does that make boxer now?

          hmmm, I like that, "war whore"...

          •  picket to your heart's content (0+ / 0-)

            Let her know you are unhappy and why. I have no problem with that. And I still don't think it makes Boxer a DINO or an untouchable for Democrats. My opinion.

            My own humble suggestion, though, would be that protesters of Boxer be respectful. You can make your point to her without treating her like she was garbage.  And she is more likely to listen, and bystanders are more likely to see the Lamont support as serious but not hate-filled leftwing extremists. I don't think you are, but think of how best to represent Lamont when you  address Boxer.

            I wish she wouldn't do this, myself. She must have really strong reasons to go ahead and do it anyway.

            •  her reasons are bizzaro world ! (1+ / 0-)
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              boxer is NOT a dino, but she IS doing something very very wierd here with joe, something very very wierd which gives us some precious rare insight into the alternate parallel bizzaro world universe that our senate must be -

              again, my preference for boxer is for the CT Blogger Kiss float truck to show up when & where barbara stumps for joe in CT -

              here it is (scroll down the page a bit):


              she'll get the message, I am sure.

        •  Virtual pie or humble pie? (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, Barbara is one of the good guys I agree....who asked ( and very few did) for votes to be counted after the travesty of electronic insecure counting...

          If she does show up, she should be challenged as to why she backs a Bush Backer and someone who has the knives out in public for Democrats (Dean, Clark come to mind). the bit about calculating how to dump the Party if the primary election is lost shows disrespect for democracy....

           It is Joe's record, actions and words that incited this challenge and reassesment of his value as a politician and representative of the Democratic Party.

            Which is the whole point of a primary challenge and a verdict by Democrats on the worth of Lieberman.

          Perhaps Barbara will taste a little humble pie.  Joe obviously is way way too good for us and elevated to do that.

          Liberty! opportunity! security! That's the correct order. Let the Repubs tremble and wail. It's what they do best.

          by Pete Rock on Mon Jul 17, 2006 at 06:18:47 AM PDT

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    •  Sigh (0+ / 1-)
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      So now I guess the fringe left is going to turn against Boxer because she doesn't march in lock-step with the legions of the extremists who live in Berkeley?

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