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  •  So if it is the conservatives and not Jared (0+ / 0-)

    who are being disingenuous in describing themselves as free market, why are you addressing him rather than them?

    Neocons have been wrapping themselves in a blanket of (what we call today) fiscal libertarianism since 1980 in a significant manner, and they were heading that way long before that.  If there is confusion about what free market idealouges believe it is not because of the actions of progressives and liberals.

    Me, I'm for appropriate government, which in the specific category of health care will tend to be fairly big simply due to the nature of the sector and the fact that it affects everybody.

    Live Free or Die-words to live by

    by ForFreedom on Wed Jul 19, 2006 at 09:41:44 AM PDT

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    •  I have been addressing them... (0+ / 0-)

      ...both as a member of the Libertarian party (back when I was one), and in my words and actions since I ditched them for the Democrats in 2001.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Wed Jul 19, 2006 at 09:44:35 AM PDT

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      •  Then why address Jared (0+ / 0-)

        other than to politely comment that true free marketers are not represented by the views of neocons?  Which is not the approach you took here.

        I'm really trying to understand how your ideas differ from Bush when it comes to fiscal matters.  Give me something to work with.  All that I really know about your fiscal ideologies is that in general you think that government is less efficient and effective than markets at providing services, which from my perspective is hardly different from the neocons at all.  The only difference I see is that the neocons tend to want to direct those services into certain classes of market, while you want some nebulous general market.  From where I sit either way I'm paying for somebody else's Porche.

        Let's use a specific example relevant to the diary.  Medicine X.  For the sake of the example, let's say that Medicine X is fairly involved to develop, needing a lot of research.  In my ideal world Medicine X is developed by a collaboration of government laboratories and universities using governement funds stipulating that the only way a non-citizen can be employed by the program is if no qualified US citizen applied for the position and the opening was publicized for a reasonable time frame such as 2 weeks.  Once Medicine X has been completely tested without the sort of market pressure that has given us Vioxx it is opened to the general market for production.  I'd be OK with a bid process, where companies could bid for an exclusive contract to produce Medicine X, if there was enough interest in exclusivity, with specific caps on the final markup, or it could simply be generally produced without any exclusivity and the free market could determine the sale price.  This would lead to much greater innovation and development of needed drugs, since it would remove the short term market pressures of month-to-month profitability.  Many drugs are not researched because the population that would consume them is to small to ever be profitable for a specific comapny in an free market.  But for the government, where the total social cost is a factor it would cost less.  It might cost billions to develop a drug for a few thousand people, but the savings produced from treatment rather than disability and allowing them to function productively in the economy results in a positive return on those billions invested.

        Live Free or Die-words to live by

        by ForFreedom on Wed Jul 19, 2006 at 10:18:40 AM PDT

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