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  •  Scout Salute on You...this isn't the end! (2+ / 0-)
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    House, benthos

    Knowing thyself.  That's what Scouting is.

    The BSA is NOT and was never the Hitler Youth brigade or the Brownshirts.  

    The rabid ultra-left targets the BSA from ignorance, not knowledge.  

    •  I vocally disagree with the BSA (3+ / 0-)
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      sberel, corvo, Terminus Est

      I will tell people I disagree with their policies.  

      I have heard the responses about the local level orgs, but they do not satisfy my questions as to the official platform of the BSA.  

      I cannot, in good faith, associate my young son with a group which publicly states its opposition to acceptance of certain groups of people.  

      I understand that when people have a lifelong relationship with the group that they see no problems with that, but I don't have the relationship.  So, I can't ignore the fact that their official rules make the statements they do.  

      The one thing worse than a press that is "out of control" is one that is under control.

      by otto on Wed Jul 19, 2006 at 10:31:56 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, I wouldn't (and don't) (3+ / 0-)
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        otto, sberel, corvo

        Have anything to do with the BSA these days.  I was merely reminiscing about the good old days before the BSA did become the Brownshirt Scouts of America.

        They have drifted into territory wherein they shouldn't reside.  They, as an organization, have gone, with great hostility, into mean spirited and damaging territory.  I wouldn't encourage or support a child of mine, if I had any, joining the BSA.  I wont support them in any way, shape, or form now or in the future.

        Basically, they are totally irrelevant to me now.  At the time (the mid and late 70s) they were fun.  I did 108 miles in a canoe in the Canadian wilderness with them.  I backpacked from the south rim, to the north rim, to the south rim of the Grand Canyon with them.  I hiked across glaciers and across treacherous glaciers and snow-covered peaks in the Grand Tetons with them.  I spent the night in sub-zero weather at the annual "Freezeree" they held in Colorado.  I learned valuable camping skills in the Order of the Arrow with them.  It was fun in my troop, and a valuable experience and there was no overt evil (or covert evil felt) from the org back then.

        Now I'm an adult and things have certainly changed.  The BSA should fade away though I would hope that a similar organization would spring up to help keep kids engaged with nature, teach respect for nature, and get them away from goddamned Gameboys and TVs for a while.  THAT is needed more than ever.

        •  Well Said (2+ / 0-)
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          sberel, Terminus Est

          That's the best I've read here.  Well, I guess it's the one that I agree with the most.  

          The activities in boyscouts are definitely worthwhile.  I think every kid should be able do the things that kids do in scouts.  I would love it if there were a similar organisation in my area which does what the BSA does, but without the judgemental policies.  

          Frankly, I'm surprised that one hasn't sprung up in areas like mine.  I live in Seattle.  

          The one thing worse than a press that is "out of control" is one that is under control.

          by otto on Wed Jul 19, 2006 at 10:46:52 AM PDT

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