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  •  Ah, Noam Chomsky certainly is credible. (1+ / 0-)
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    corporatewhore

    And Robert Fisk too!  You dismiss the AP and laud these clowns as legitimate, unbiased sources.  Hilarious.

    But the facts in this current situation are not in dispute.  Hizbollah, unprovoked, invaded Israel, killed and kidnapped it's citizens.  It is also fact that Hizbollah stated goals are the destruction of Israel:

    "In a scathing speech to a rally of more than 1,000 supporters, Hizbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said peace deals between Arabs and Israel would not bring stability to the Middle East or legitimacy to the Jewish state.

    "There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel," he told the crowd. "Peace settlements will not change reality, which is that Israel is the enemy and that it will never be a neighbor or a nation. "

    These two facts in and of themselves should give Israel the right to do what it must.  I personally, wouldn't bat an eye if they flattened all of South Lebanon.  There is no tolerance for people who want to see you wiped off the face of the planet.

    And please, keep posting!  Your incoherence is further ammunition for the Dems demise.

    •  Facts? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Hizbollah, unprovoked, invaded Israel, killed and kidnapped it's citizens."

      I have yet to see any evidence as to just where this so-called 'kidnapping' took place, but have seen differing accounts.  Since Israel was already moving towards attacking hizbollah before their soldiers were captured, I am suspicuous of how it all unfolded so neatly for Israel - by way of deception and all.

      Please provide a reference to ANY source that does more than repeat someone else's words.  I want pictures, I want maps, I want satallite images. You may be willing to take Israel's word on faith - I am not.

      And unprovoked?  Did you not notice that Israel had been attacking Gaza beforehand?  Where you unaware of the 1000s of arab prisoners Israel holds?  Any clue how many of them were 'kidnapped'?  One of Hizbollah's reasons for being is to defend Arabs against Israeli aggression - and as we all know, they certainly have a right to defend themselves.  Or is it only Israel that has that right?

      I believe that you have accepted too easily the words that you have been told.  Something you will likely regret.

      •  Your clearly (2+ / 0-)
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        an idiot.  

        No one, except you apparently, disputes that Hizbollah attacked and kidnapped Israeli military forces.  But, if I'm reading your drivel correctly, it was all a 'convenient' set up so Israel could go on the war path.  Whatever.

        FYI, Gaza was attacked for the exact same reasons.  Unprovoked aggression.  Everyone has the right to defend themselves. In fact, everyone has the right to be an aggressor as well.  All depends how you spin it.  End of the day though, you have to live with the consequences.  If Hizbollah and Hamas want to claim that launching missiles into Israel on a daily basis or walking into a pizza joint and blowing yourself up are for the 'Palestinians', so be it.  But be prepared to get your asses handed to you.

        Bottom line is, when a political/religious entity calls for your complete destruction, that's all the reason you need to attack them.

        •  Another Israeli apologist (0+ / 0-)

          Unprovoked aggression?

          It is a shame that you have so little idea what you are talking about.  I suppose that is why you have allowed yourself to be taken for a fool in all this.

          Less than 2 days before the 'outrage' of Hamas kidnapping an IDF soldier, the IDF went into Gaza and kidnapped 2 Palestinians.  It is OK for Israel, but an act of war for anyone else?

          Israel responded to this 'outrage' by attacking Gaza - to which Hezbollah struck back at Israel.  Should the Arab world not be able to defend itself against Israel?  

          Since the heart of the matter is still land, land that Israel took and is unwilling to give back, I would suggest that if Israel really wants peace - they should consider going back to the pre-67 borders.  Until then, it is all the same old BS and spin used to hide the fact that they are in gross violation of international law and UN resolutions.

          Perhaps they shouldn't have dismissed outright Hamas' overtures of diplomacy?  Maybe responding with attacks, kidnappings, broken promises, smear campaigns and the usual bullying tactics was only meant to generate the excuse they needed to re-invade.  Sure seems to have worked out that way.

          Who shelled the Gaza beach again? Who lacked the integrity to admit it?

          It was Israel, after all, that provoked and launched the war in '67 - in order to grab land.  They like to have their little minions go out and keep pretending this is a religious war, but it is really just about land.

          And FYI - I appreciate how you have picked up Israel's habit of accusing others of things that you are actually guilty of yourself.

          •  Ceace fire will not bring peace (0+ / 0-)

            When one groups charter is the destruction of the other, it is hard to negotiate.  The only thing that will end this conflict is victory by one side or the other.  Hezbollah did the equivalent of walking up and punching the bouncer in a club... then crying when they get beat up and thrown out.    I don't buy that "Hezbollah was protecting the Palestinians" bit either.  Why is the most of the Arab world (Saudi/Egypt/Jordan) all speaking out against them?  The palestinians are being used by forces (Iran/Syria mostly) in the region who want to use the Israel-Palestinian conflict as a 'wedge-issue' between the Islamic world and the West.  They don't want peace and they certainly don't care about the Palestinian people.  In the end the Palestinian people  and the average Israeli are the biggest losers in this 'power stuggle'.

            "War never solved anything except slavery, communism, naziism and fascism."

            by Captain Infidel on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 12:56:48 PM PDT

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        •  and for what it is worth (0+ / 0-)

          I have seen mentioned several times that the IDF soldiers were captured near Aïta Al Chaab - which is in Lebanon.  I have only seen this is media outlets that are not as prone to simply repeating whatever Israel claims, but are also more susceptible to opposing propaganda.  Therefore, I do not want to simply accept this at face value, but the only thing we have to prove it took place in Israel are Israeli press releases.  Since Israel has a long history of telling lies to achieve its goals, it strikes me as naive to simply take their word for it.  Clearly most mainstream media seems willing to do so, but that is little surprise.

          All I want is to see some tangible proof, but I guess wanting proof makes me an idiot in your eyes. Blind faith is enough for some I guess.

          •  Faith is defined as (0+ / 0-)

            "Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.".  Using that definition, then yes, I have faith that Israel tells the truth, at least I have faith they are far more trustworthy than either Hamas or Hizbollah.  

            But again, and I don't know why you ignore this, Hizbollah has claimed itself that it attacked Israeli forces and did it's dirty deed.  Since Hizbollah sees Israel as illegitimate, then of course there is no aggression, simply ejecting the invader.  An ideology which you are simply parroting, so just come out and say it instead of hiding behind all this 'I don't believe Israel' bullshit.

            The fact that you are also repeating the trope of the Israeli shell on the beach simply exposes you as beyond reason.  Human Rights Watch, which investigated the shelling, 'cannot contradict' the IDF's finding's in the matter.  Given the record of idiot Muslims blowing up their own people, either by design or accident, I would place the blame on Hamas.  But it's easier to simply bleat 'I don't believe Israel'.  Fine.

            And as for history, it depends how far you want to go back and who gets the blame.  History didn't start in 1967.  Jews predate Arabs and certainly Muslims in Jerusalem.  Shall we go back that far?

            Both Hamas and Hizbollah believe in Israel's destruction.  Both organizations have separate political and military entities, neither of which are responsible or answerable to each other.  And both organizations have explicitly broken 'hudnas' to suit their purposes in their primary cause, destroying Israel.  They are thugs in both thought and deed.

            Israel on the other hand is a pluralistic democracy, with a 20% Arab population.  It's political class rules the military and it society and economy thrives in a sea of ignorant and stupid Arabs.  This isn't a land issue, but an ideological one.  Israel  could pull back to it's 67 borders tomorrow and in the long run, it wouldn't make a difference.  Look around.  The Muslim world, and particularly the Arab world has bloody borders.  All of it, driven by ideology, not land.

            But believe what you will.  But you may want to pull your head out of the sand occasionally(scary, I know!)

            •  foolish lad (0+ / 0-)

              If you simply believe out of hand that Israel always tells the truth, you are a fool.  A fool blinded by a faith that is not justififed by facts nor history.

              Israel was responsible for shelling the beach. Only a fool blinded by a misguided faith would twist what HRW said to make it sound like they found Israel innocent. Instead of clipping deceitful little quotes - why don't you read their report:

              http://hrw.org/...

              Are you just aother Israeli apologist telling lies?
              Lets see what Human Rights Watch actually said...

              "An investigation that refuses to look at contradictory evidence can hardly be considered credible," said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "The IDF's partisan approach highlights the need for an independent, international investigation."

              "However, evidence collected by Human Rights Watch researchers and many independent journalists on the ground in Gaza indicates that the civilians were killed within the time period of the shelling. That evidence includes computerized hospital records that show children injured at the beach were treated by 5:12 p.m., and hand-written hospital records that show they were admitted at 5:05 p.m. In light of the 20-minute round trip drive between the hospital and the beach, this evidence suggests that the blast that caused the family's death occurred during the time of the IDF shelling."

              "If the Israeli allegations of tampered evidence are to be believed, many Palestinians would have to have engaged in a massive and immediate conspiracy to falsify the data," said Garlasco. "The conspirators "witnesses, victims, medical personnel and bomb disposal staff "would have had to falsify their testimony, amend digital and hand-written records, and dip shrapnel into a victim's blood. It beggars belief that such a huge conspiracy could be orchestrated so quickly."

              Does this sound like a report that cleared Israel of responsibility?  No - it doesn't, but I suspect you knew that.  Your goal here seems to be to make sure the lies get out, and the truth is dismissed.  How repugnant.

              Nice chatting with you.  It is clear you lack the wit and wisdom to be of much interest though, what with the transparent attempts at misquoting - so a simple piss off and I am done with you.

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