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  •  I fear Israeli interests (0+ / 0-)

    have been co-opted by some pretty hard line elements.

    This is the plan for Syria,


    Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon, including by:

    striking Syria’s drug-money and counterfeiting infrastructure in Lebanon, all of which focuses on Razi Qanan.

    paralleling Syria’s behavior by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to attacks emanating from Lebanon by Israeli proxy forces.

    striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at select targets in Syria proper.

    This document was written in 1996 I believe

    Here is how the Israel planned on winning US support.

    To reinforce this point, the Prime Minister can use his forthcoming visit to announce that Israel is now mature enough to cut itself free immediately from at least U.S. economic aid and loan guarantees at least, which prevent economic reform. [Military aid is separated for the moment until adequate arrangements can be made to ensure that Israel will not encounter supply problems in the means to defend itself]. As outlined in another Institute report, Israel can become self-reliant only by, in a bold stroke rather than in increments, liberalizing its economy, cutting taxes, relegislating a free-processing zone, and selling-off public lands and enterprises — moves which will electrify and find support from a broad bipartisan spectrum of key pro-Israeli Congressional leaders, including Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

    They plan on using support for a Missile Defense system to bolster the Israeli cause.

    but it would broaden Israel’s base of support among many in the United States Congress who may know little about Israel, but care very much about missile defense. Such broad support could be helpful in the effort to move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

    There is also talk of destablizing Iraq, and

    Were the Hashemites to control Iraq, they could use their influence over Najf to help Israel wean the south Lebanese Shia away from Hizballah, Iran, and Syria

    You can read the whole document A Clean Break A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

    It is written by an Jersalem based advanced think tank known as The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies.

     Contributers include Douglas Feith and David Wurmser and many of the folks who pushed hard for the War in Iraq.

     So I am not saying anything more than Israeli policy seems to have been hijacked by the same people that have hijacked US foreign policy.

     And to remember that not all of Israel supports the hardliners. There have been many peace demonstrations.

     If only the people, the people who want peace, like you and I, the people of Lebanon, Israel, the US could get their leaders out of this grip, which is marching us to War.

    Sorry this is so long, but I hope you take the time to read it.

    Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

    by missliberties on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:01:41 PM PDT

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    •  I've heard this argument before... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and I still find it highly, highly dubious.

      I've read the "Clean Break Strategy" in its entirety, and I simply don't see that as what is going on currently.  It was written for Netanyahu, who never implemented it.  It was not followed at all by Sharon.  It was never something that was tied to Olmert, and everything about it is the opposite of everything Peretz has stood for his entire career.

      Looking at it from the POV of the neocons, it is possible to see only the similarities, and not the vast differences.  Look at the whole picture, and then see how it fits in with PNAC, and you'll see that it isn't nearly as similar.

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:29:57 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for commenting (0+ / 0-)

         I was curious what you would think. You have to admit a lot of the same players are involved. Richard Perle, Feith, etc. They are the ones that keep talking about "ending tyranny".

         The whole situation is so disturbing. And I don't know the answer. And even if I did, I don't know if it would even matter.

        Overthrow the Government ~Vote~

        by missliberties on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:36:39 PM PDT

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        •  Yeah... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...I think that I see it as so much more a creature of Israeli policy than American policy.  I don't even think that the administration really supports this policy, but their hands are pretty tied.

          At the end of the day, it is about Israel, and what Israel's needs and issues are.  And you have to remember just how contentious the withdrawals from Lebanon and Gaza were in Israel.  Remember, the key policy Olmert and Peretz want to enact is disengagement from the West Bank; Olmert made a speech about it today in fact.  To make that withdrawal politically possible, they have to assuage the fears of Israelis that the withdrawals would lead to more attacks, and more deadly attacks.  So the responses are caculated from that perspective.

          The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

          by Jay Elias on Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:58:53 PM PDT

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