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  •  Playing Devil's Advocate (2+ / 0-)
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    bittergirl, rgdurst

    They claim to have greater morals than Hezbollah; they don't.  They should be conducting a careful, surgically perfect war; they aren't.

    Not to sound like a wiseass, but how do you conduct a surgical war against an enemy that is not above using their own civilians as meatshields?

    •  Please please please... (4+ / 0-)
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      pletzs, Euroliberal, Arken, DSPS owl

      ...don't refer to them as using their civilians as "meatshields".

      I've campaigned long and hard to put to rest the notion that somehow the anti-Israel terrorist and guerilla groups are doing something especially evil by mixing with civilian populations.  First of all, they are doing what they have to, and as much as we all might like it if they lined up for us to kill them, that is pure fantasy.  Second, last I checked, Tel Nof Air Force base was in Rehovot, the largest Tel Aviv suburb.  Last I checked, Andrews Air Force Base isn't in the middle of nowhere either.  So what exactly are we accusing them of?

      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:19:38 PM PDT

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      •  For that matter... (1+ / 0-)
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        How many US military bases are surrounded by civilians?

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        by Arken on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:20:40 PM PDT

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        •  Andrews... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...is a US military base.

          The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

          by Jay Elias on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:25:17 PM PDT

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          •  But Andrews... (0+ / 0-)

            ...is not located inside of a civilian apratment complex. Nor do they launch missiles from it at their neighbors.

            The difference is that Hezbollah deliberately makes it so that if you attack one of their bases, you will hit civilians. Also, Andrews has military housing, which is a far cry from Hezbollah.

            •  Of course they do... (3+ / 0-)
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              ...what do you suppose would happen to Hezbollah if they did otherwise?  They don't have surface to air missiles, aerial radar platforms, surveillance satellites, main battle tanks, or squadrons of fighter planes.  They are playing to win with what they have.

              Sure, they are loathsome.  But they make do as best they can.  If they used tactics like the IDF or the US Army, they'd be dead in a week.  So, what do you expect them to do?

              The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

              by Jay Elias on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 05:50:13 PM PDT

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              •  But... (0+ / 0-)

                ...if they want to use those tactics, they have no right complaining about civilians dying because it is by their presense that those civilians are put in harm's way.

                •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...I'm not sure that Hezbollah is complaining about civilians dying.  But, more to the point, would it shock and offend you to learn that Hezbollah are hypocrites?

                  I don't share the prevalent feeling that most posters here have about civilian casualties.  I understand that they fight us the way they have to, and that we fight them the way we have to.  As long as we're fighting, it is going to be this way.  But I'm not willing to deceive myself about it.  This is what the battlefield looks like.

                  The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

                  by Jay Elias on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:02:42 PM PDT

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            •  Uh (2+ / 0-)
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              bittergirl, anonymousredvest18

              I was at the Burlington, VT, airport this morning. Waiting for my mom's plane to take off I watched three VT Air National Guard F-16s takeoff from the same runway her Northwest flight was about to use.

              So I guess what you saying is it'd be cool for someone to bomb the Northwest Airlines plane that was waiting to take off from that runway?

        •  MANY. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          Half a trillion dollars to elect a man in Iraq that congress won't talk with because they don't like what he thinks of Israel...

          by mattes on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:23:20 PM PDT

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    •  Guerrilla warfare, nothing new. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Half a trillion dollars to elect a man in Iraq that congress won't talk with because they don't like what he thinks of Israel...

      by mattes on Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 06:22:40 PM PDT

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