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  •  Come on (3+ / 0-)
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    You don't think I am freaking out over the death and destruction going on right now?! Really!

    It’s a diary like this that disrespects my capacity to understand the world.

    I know full well WTF is going on. But the approach of this diary is beneath me, and I believe the bulk of the members of this community.

    But I have no authority to speak for anyone else but myself. All I can say is, hey pal, I know what is going on, and it is fucked up! I don't need a diary that is written in a way to incite revolt among members of a community.

    This diary is inflammatory and offers no thoughtful insight into the current horror that is transpiring in the Middle East.

    Thanks for your copy and paste reply though. It was enlightening...

    "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong

    by iliketodrum on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:15:15 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not sure about this, (5+ / 0-)
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      but there's no question that the reason America supports the `war on terror' is because we're killing `terrorists'. They're not people, they're things. If we can make them into people, we can end support for the war.

      Maybe showing pictures of the people (not things), who are killed, we can go in this direction. If you read the wingnuts rationalizing their deaths, you read things like

      Those kids would have grown up to be hate filled Islamists . . . You see, they weren't people, they were future `Islamists'.

      keep talking about the value of innocent life. It's disgusting how they give it no value.
      Societies who give life no value are composed of people who want to die.
      You see, they weren't people, they were `those who give no value to innocent life and want to die'.

      Forgive me for wondering if it would have been a sad thing if Hitler died as a child. I'm not arguing. I am feeling very philosophical about this. So help me out....would it have been tragic if Hitler had been killed as a child? Or Sadaam. Or John Wayne Gacy. Is the potential for terrorism and horror non existent until it occurs? You see, they weren't people, they were future mass murderers, future `terrorists'.

      I am not unsympathetic; nor do I dislike children. However ........ I would have to have the term "children" defined. The way "they" usually define it is "anyone under the age of 18". How many of the "innocents" were truly children ... say, under the age of 10 or 11 ... and how many of them were older ... potential, if not actual, suicide bombers? This person is really struggling. They're not really children, she says. They're not really children, but potential suicide bombers.

      You can see how important it is for these people to not see the victims as children, to not see them as people, but instead to see them as threatening things. We have to attack this perception repeatedly, and wear it down. We have to show them that they really are people, not things.

      You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

      by Opakapaka on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:30:09 PM PDT

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      •  spot on. (3+ / 0-)
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        That's why freepers are so afraid of these pics because images do not usually lie. They are powerful. Freepers just like other radicals are so afraid that people will see through their lies.

        War is not video game.

      •  It dosen't matter (0+ / 0-)

        If Hitler could have been killed as a child.

        That line of logic is illogical.

        the potential for terrorism and horror non-existent until it occurs? You see, they weren't people, they were future mass murderers, future `terrorists'.

        That comment is pure bullshit man. You can never assume, which is what you just did in your line of reasoning, that if "Hitler" was killed then there would be one less terrorist or mass murder.

        When Hitler was a kid he was not a mass murderer. It has to do with so many other complicated social factors that to presume, what you have, is more horrific than what any mass murder or terrorist has ever perpetrated.

        Actually the more I read your comment the more I am confused with its premise. It is so far outside of my reason of logic that I have to stop right now.

        Can you clarify what you said?

        "Sex and creativity are often seen by dictators as subversive activities." -Erica Jong

        by iliketodrum on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:42:36 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you O. (3+ / 0-)
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        There crosses a line where the sanitisation of war is no longer acceptable. The moral outrage at this bombing outweighs any sensibility about showing dead children. Indeed one could argue that by using the images there is a very good chance that action will be demanded of governments that are supporting or tacitally approving Israel's policies. It also seems to me that facing up to the reality of war will lead to a questioning at the least of the assumptions made about military power and the justifications used to deploy it.

        Now this may be a US/British sensibility thing or an editorial decision to try to change British policy (or because it is such a powerful picture) but virtually every national paper on Monday morning is carring the same picture on its front page. It will therefore be staring out from the newsstands throughout the country. This is the entire front page of today's Independent.

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