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  •  One Might Think (21+ / 0-)

    That this report, along with the American Bar Association Task Force report on Presidential Signing Statements and the Separation of Powers Doctrine (to be taken up at the ABA annual meeting next week), could be used to form the basis for impeachment proceedings against President Bush.  And without having read the entirety of either document, I feel certain that the groundwork for both is solid.

    I suspect that should Rep. Conyers becomes Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee in the 110th Congress, we will not have seen the last of these reports.  At a minimum, they provide a strong roadmap for an investigative agenda.

    •  Important Correction (1+ / 0-)
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      The word "should" in the last paragraph was supposed to read "when".

      Onward to November, and victory!

    •  Okay, so this is a little snark BUT (1+ / 0-)
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      it seems that the only thing that has risen to the level of high crimes and mistermeanors was a dress and relations with a woman other than a wife.

      The average Joe isn't going to read a report. We need a PR campaign, a plan to get the message out to the people in terms they can understand.

      We need Ross Perot charts to demonstrate the impact of  Bush policies to the average person. We need email blasts or text messages or at the very least a pamplet to summarize and circumvent the MSM.

      Edward R. Murrow:We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.

      by digital drano on Fri Aug 04, 2006 at 09:51:18 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, framing wise, (3+ / 0-)
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        we need the equivalent of  Bush's and Lieberman's "kiss" to really help the Conyer's report.  Yes, frames...  We need a frame to drive the evidence of the Conyers report home-- because there are too many in the country who have become allergic to logic, but frames cut right through...

        Yes, it boggles the mind that the mountain of evidence that Conyers has compiled could be trumped by what you mention:

        it seems that the only thing that has risen to the level of high crimes and mistermeanors was a dress and relations with a woman other than a wife

        but there is certainly truth to what you mention--too many Americans have slowly entertained themselves to death and have become allergic to the real issues affecting us.  Real issues:

        1. High crimes and misdemeanors by Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush
        1. Meaningful and lawful oversight by congress
        1. Oil war misadventures overseas
        1. Nuclear proliferation
        1. Catastrophic global warming

        What is the frame-- the equivalent of the KISS-- that can bring each of these issues so far to the front and center in people's minds, that they cannot stop thinking about it until some constructive action is taken, and the problems are finally resolved?

        I am at a loss for answers, but know that it takes the equivalent of "the kiss" to get this frame immediately into entertainment-distracted media-saturated Americans...

        Peace to you

        PS John Conyers, you rock.  Thank you for the consistent sanity and all of your hard work.

        •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

          There's no question that we need to be able to package all this in such a way that it can be successfully marketed to the American voter.  (And, yes, I'm using those terms deliberately.)

          But it's also important that when we do take back Congress -- and the presidency, two years later -- our Representatives and Senators not erupt against the Bush Administration's misdeeds in a rage-induced blind fury, but rather that they have the necessary resources (i.e., reports such as these) to expose in the plain light of day the degree to which our core constitutional prinicples have been betrayed.

          For what it's worth, we should also recall that during the later stages of the Kenneth Starr investigation and subsequent imeachment of Bill Clinton, the president's approval ratings trended upward, hitting a peak right around the time of his trial in the Senate at the beginning of 1999.  The overreaching by the Republicans (and the perception that huge amounts of time and resources were being wasted on this relatively inconsequential matter) led to their unexpected losses in the Congressional elections of 1998.  So sometimes the voters are able to see through the lies, ignore the sideshow, and focus on what's truly important for the country.

    •  The hope that (0+ / 0-)

      impeachment and prison comes to pass is what keeps me going

      Republicans only care about republicans. Democrats care about the Republic.

      by beaukitty on Fri Aug 04, 2006 at 10:52:50 AM PDT

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    •  You'd think.... (0+ / 0-)

      But I have thought it so many times, about so many things.

      Surely, this is it? Surely the Democrats will throw a royal fit about that. Surely the people of this nation will rise up and say, No More, before it is too late..

      We have found out so much. These people , the Bushites, should all be in prison.

      Nothing ever happens. Nothing is ever done.

      I sure miss the days when all we had to worry about was Bill Clinton's penis.

      When fascism comes to America, it will come draped in the flag and carrying a cross

      by TDW on Fri Aug 04, 2006 at 03:58:48 PM PDT

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