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  •  No, I am not ~ I'm assuming you mean (1+ / 0-)
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    'are you a  constituent' and not 'are you a troll'

    You should already know that since we discussed it in another thread several days ago.

    So, by your logic, do you disagree with Kos' involvement in Lieberman's state?  Lieberman is pretty upset over it.

    Should I resent those from out of state who attack (or support) Hillary Clinton and are sending money to her opponent, eg?

    As far as 'trolling'. Do you consider the anti-McKinney personal smears and inaccurate charges to be 'trolling' also?  

    I have asked questions about Johnson's positions on issues and was either ignored or attacked for asking.  

    I'm interested in how any Democrat in any race will contribute to taking this country back after Nov. Is this not acceptable to you?  

    •  We are too! (1+ / 0-)
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      Catrina,

      There are at least 4 or 5 people posting here who do live in the district and have a large body of both local historical and political knowledge - I hesitate to say all b/c I may have missed a posting - but the vast majority are supporting Johnson.  I think the discussion is getting more heated than needs be.  We all want the Democrats to win.  We all want progressive representation - indeed the 4th district has long been considered the bluest of blue (and honestly, if it wasn't someone like McKinney wouldn't have lasted so long).  Really, if her name wasn't involved, and the cause already set, most people in this chatroom would have already lined up to support Hank Johnson.  If you are truly interested in how Democrats can contribute to this country after Nov. then can't you at least keep an open mind and not think that just b/c we don't support McKinney we are somehow less progressive than you are?

      •  I think I do have an open mind. (0+ / 0-)

        I have said I respect Cynthia McKinney and why. Nothing that has been said here changes that. But if her constituents decide they want a change, there's nothing I can do about that. That's how our system works.

        My concern is since it became obvious that she may lose, that whoever replaces her will not become a Bush enabler. Say what you want about her, she was never that.

        If it's true that Johnson is taking money from Republicans, eg, that is a huge concern, imo. I have no way of knowing so I ask questions of those who may know.

        It was revealed this week on the FP, eg, that a Green candidate is being funded almost entirely by Republicans. Why would they do that, if not to foil Democrats and to continue the current disastrous policies.

        So, if Johnson wins and is a good Democrat, I can accept that. What's happening to this country is way more important than individual likes and dislikes. I will say though, that his supporters here are not helping his cause.

        •  4th district voters will have our say (0+ / 0-)

          I would argue that it is his supporters here who are making sense in a calm and rational manner.

          It is the McKinney supporters who are bordering on shrill and rude - often regressing to personal attacks and half truths.

          In the end though, like you said, we voters of the 4th will made the decision.  Then everyone can concentrate on the real races that need concentrating on...

          •  Not everyone, idealistlefty ~ (0+ / 0-)

            And much of that was a reaction to the attacks on Rep. McKinney by her detractors ~ if the discussion had focused on issues rather than the nasty, demeaning and unnecessary personal attacks on someone many people respect, it would have been more productive.

            Anyway, as you say, in the end, the voters will decide ....

        •  Catrina, I agree with you here. (0+ / 0-)

          My concern is since it became obvious that she may lose, that whoever replaces her will not become a Bush enabler. Say what you want about her, she was never that.

          This says it very well, and it may explain why those of us GA 4th Kossaks who oppose McKinney are getting so much heat from her fans.

          That's a perfectly legitimate concern, IMO.

          I feel Johnson will be a fine local-oriented Rep who will toe the Dem line and oppose the Bushites, though not as loudly and conspicuously as Rep. McKinney.

          I also believe he'll be much more in touch on local issues, due to his experience at the County level.

          "One does not discover new lands without consenting to leave sight of the shore for a very long time." -Andre Gide

          by pat208 on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 07:06:37 PM PDT

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          •  If he wins, pat208, I hope you are right about (1+ / 0-)
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            him.

            and it may explain why those of us GA 4th Kossaks who oppose McKinney are getting so much heat from her fans.

            I think that is the reason. I know it is for me. There's also the fact that early on, when no one had the courage to question anything this administration did, Cynthia McKinney broke the ice and  took a lot of heat for doing so. People remember and are grateful to her for that. I remember the nastiness on rightwing sites I was posting on back then. I was worried about her safety they were so vicious, (sometimes mine or anyone's who defended her also).

            People also are scared to death that the opportunity to finally make a change after six years of hopelessness, could be blown by allowing 'dinos' to slip into Congress or the Senate.

            It's hard to forget how devastating it was when  so-called Democrats so often went along with Republicans. We are tired of this. During that time, I never worried about Rep. McKinney's vote (or my own Rep., Tim Bishop) but there were other Democrats who could not be counted on not to support the Bush agenda.

            I hope you're right about Johnson ~ people will be watching him if he wins, I'm sure. As for local issues, well they are important to those who live in his district, of course.

            We'll know on Tuesday ~

            •  If he kisses Bush, I'll buy you dinner. (2+ / 0-)
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              Mia Dolan, Catrina

              Hell, I'll buy you a car. But for that it's got to be a real kiss, you know, like he means it.

              "One does not discover new lands without consenting to leave sight of the shore for a very long time." -Andre Gide

              by pat208 on Sat Aug 05, 2006 at 08:01:17 PM PDT

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              •  *lol* ~ okay, that's a deal ~ (0+ / 0-)

                Dinner and a car?  But this means I first have to wish for him to win ~ so this is how politics works and minds are changed??  :-)

                •  Nah, you don't need to wish for a Hank win. (1+ / 0-)
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                  However, we would say that your bet on McKinney is hedged -- you might get something out of it either way.

                  Can we agree to cheer together if when Lamont wins Connecticut?

                  "One does not discover new lands without consenting to leave sight of the shore for a very long time." -Andre Gide

                  by pat208 on Sun Aug 06, 2006 at 07:22:10 AM PDT

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                  •  Sounds good to me, pat208. Lamont winning (0+ / 0-)

                    is something most of us will celebrate, I think. A hedged bet on McKinney? Okay ~ oh, and if Johnson does ever give Bush a 'meaningful kiss', I get to say 'I told you so also! :-)

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