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  •  while I respect your decision ... (30+ / 0-)

    ... those of us who got onto the Internet at the time I did tend to use our real names.  "Joe Buck" is my actual name, it's not a handle.

    I'm an engineer working on electronic design automation software.  (PhD in EE from Berkeley 1993). Essentially every electronic chip you own, whether it's in your computer, cell phone, digital camera, or what have you, was designed in part using software my company produces.  I travel internationally on business and my firm recruits the best from around the world.  I've been married 16 years and have a daughter.

    •  Berkeley? (7+ / 0-)

      Git a rope!

      </snark>

      Given a choice between a real Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, Americans will choose the real Republican every time - Harry Truman

      by tiggers thotful spot on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 05:30:24 PM PDT

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      •  But seriously (36+ / 0-)

        What most of us, correctly, do not consider extreme, many wingnuts will.  I mean, they used to think the civil rights marchers were communists...

        I'm not married, but live with my partner, in a big city and work at a university.  None of these things are really fringe or dangerous.  Millions of Americans can claim the same about themselves.  But for some reason, it fits some stereotype of radical liberalism.  Like what if I drove a Volvo and liked sushi?  That says nothing about my politics, but there are people out there who interpret such facts as heiroglyphics symbolizing godless unpatriotic lifestyles. Extreme. Left. Bad.

        And yet, I'm also not comfortable just believing we have to prove that some of us also go to church or have served in the military or live in small towns.  If that's the goal, we are still pandering to the GOP's stereotype of what is good and what is bad if we do that.  There are good and bad soccer moms and good and bad college kids, good and bad Christians and good and bad atheists.

        But I do like showing our diversity.  Because when Volvo driving homosexuals in Vermont and hippies in Berkeley and military brats in Alabama and housewives in Ohio all agree that the war is being handled badly and that we were lied to, that the healthcare system in this country is unacceptable, that any number of issues facing this country are being bungled by this Administration, then the focus becomes the issues themselves, not the myriad of lifestyles of those who care about them...

        Ok, end of mini-rant. :)

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

        by poemless on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:01:30 PM PDT

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        •  I agree (14+ / 0-)

          100%.

          They've succeeded (thanks to their enormous megaphone of media) in using the word "extreme" like a weapon to put boundaries on acceptable political thought.

          And I might add that there is nothing that pisses me off more than people who call themselves liberals who internalize the GOP's talking points and start regurgitating them.

          FAIR had a good article this month about the media pundits who consistently harp and harp and harp about the Democrats' need to "run to the center".

          The article made a couple of interesting points, one of which is that positions like being in favor of ending the Iraq war or in favor of government sponsored universal health care or against free-trade agreements are sometimes majority positions (in polls), in spite of the fact that we're told these are "lefty-loon" ideas.

          But a more interesting point that FAIR made was how such "centrist" pundits retroactively declared anyone who lost to be "a liberal." Their definitions, as it turns out, are entirely flexible enough to be like self-fulfilling prophecy!

          7/22/1984 (New York Times)
          Democrats' Platform Shows a Shift from Liberal Positions of 1976 and 1980

          7/24/1988 (Chicago Tribune)
          "Unlike too many of his defeated predecessors, Mike Dukakis devoted neither his campaign nor his convention to buying the love of a jungle of special interest groups with promises that could mortgage the heart and soul of a prospective administration"

          7/17/1992 (Christian Science Monitor)
          "The platform is not Mondale-Dukakis liberal, but Clinton moderate."

          [Actually the 1992 platform talked about inequality quite a bit]

          But that just shows the value to the media concept of centrism. As demonstrated by Mondale and Dukakis -- media-approved centrists who only became liberals in defeat -- the label can mean anything the pundits want it to mean.
          -- Peter Hart and Steve Rendell, FAIR

          And it's gotten to the point where pundits like Thomas Friedman and Joe Klein openly called for nominating John McCain -- one of the most conservative Senators there is -- as the Democratic vice presidential nominee.

          Given a choice between a real Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, Americans will choose the real Republican every time - Harry Truman

          by tiggers thotful spot on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 06:17:46 PM PDT

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        •  poemless... want me to write u a poem? (2+ / 0-)
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          dabize, Cronesense

          What most of us, correctly, do not consider extreme, many wingnuts will.  I mean, they used to think the civil rights marchers were communists...

          You're right.  However, if we decide to do an INVITATION to the MSM then they aren't wingnuts.  They are likely more like us than the friggin' Repubs.  In fact, they must be like us because Bush only has 33% right now...

          Unfortunately, WE are the mainstream, but I understand people don't like that.  It seems to be true though.

        •  I am definetly mainstream America, (1+ / 0-)
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          but I also have a yen for civil disobedience.  

          During the 2000 election season I had a family party and I rallied some of my younger relatives to sneak out with me and we plastered Gore stickers over all of the Bush stickers we could find.  

          Tee hee.

          Then we went and made popcorn and watched a movie.  

    •  Having been on the internet for more than (10+ / 0-)

      15 years myself, I am no newbie to this world.  I recognize my identity is not fully hidden and often do offer my real name to folk on the Net. However, I hold a professional position in which I must deal with a wide variety of people who do not always agree with my political leanings.  

      At the same time I spoke in public this week with full identification and will soon publish that story both in a local newspaper and on this blog site.  

      Still struggling with the issue of the full name.  Not fully staying either course just now.

      Thanks for your thoughts.  I promise to keep them in mind as my struggle continues.

      We have no more children to waste. US OUT OF IRAQ NOW!

      by possum on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 05:37:22 PM PDT

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      •  We are human beings. Most of us are US citizens. (4+ / 0-)
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        elveta, poemless, leo joad, possum

        Why do we need to justify ourselves? The Constitution is supposed to protect us from being persecuted, or worse, for our opinions. Anyone who cares to read this blog can see that most of us are among the majority of Americans, as shown in the mainstream published polls.

        I agree that there needs to be a push-back against the MSM BS Republican talking point, divisive, extremist, Right Wing Authoritarian propaganda. But we shouldn't have to set ourselves up for individual pilloring by those who seek to deprive us of our Constitutional rights to express dissent from the current ruling regime.

        Jerome, I think you're biting the Republicans' bait.

        •  yes and no (7+ / 0-)

          I don't think he's taking the Republican bait (ok, it's possible) but rather giving them the benefit of the doubt that when faced with facts and reality they will react appropriately.  Apparently this is more common in France.

          But yeah, I don't see the media or the GOP doing a 180 when they find out we are all just "normal" (ei. not radical Marxists living in warehouses planning a bloody revolution).  In fact, I think they know very well that people who come to Daily Kos and vote for Ned Lamont live in normal towns and have families and respectable careers and pay taxes and watch baseball games and have cookouts.  They know it, alright, and paint us as "extreme" anyway because that's the only effing way they can win an election...

          "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." -Voltaire

          by poemless on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 07:19:00 PM PDT

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          •  We should not let thoughts (2+ / 0-)
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            dabize, Fabian

            of what they are thinking determine what we do.  

            Our audience is the media, right? I don't think we can get Hannity, Coulter and Rush to come here and meet us, but I do think we can get regular people (probably non FOX).

            BTW, we need to get that #@$$@#!@  Tony Snow over here and set him straight.  There is a piece of crap interview w/O'Reiley on rawstory.  I had to watch it twice because I couldn't believe he said what he said.  He is a JERK and that's the truth.

        •  Can be taken both ways, Halcyon (2+ / 0-)
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          dabize, Fabian

          You said:

          Why do we need to justify ourselves? The Constitution is supposed to protect us from being persecuted, or worse, for our opinions. ...Jerome, I think you're biting the Republicans' bait.

          The thing is that so many koolaid drinkers aren't stupid.  They are lulled into a safety net of God, safety, morals... yada yada that the repugs have claimed as their own.

          We shouldn't have to prove to them we are mainstream but we should do so, because these good moms and pops just have never questioned what their republican party of yore told them.  By unmasking ourselves and showing them we aren't dangerous or threatening, we open their eyes to start questioning what they'd always assumed was the truth.  Like, if the repugs have been lying to them about us being wackos and we prove we aren't, then the voters will start wondering what else the repugs have been lying about.

          I think Jerome's idea is brilliant.  

          Muffy

      •  I don't think full name matters... (0+ / 0-)

        does it?

        •  No (1+ / 0-)
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          Fabian

          I don't think it's necessary, but it does help to establish that you are not a nutcase. The more people who provide their real names, the harder it is to paint this as an extremist group. That's especially true when people with widely respected jobs are part of the group.

          Giving your name on the web is a significant risk because anonymous people can attack you. But there's also something to be said for taking a risk to stand up and be counted. That's why, in the end, I put my name on my biography on Bios:DailyKos People.

          Liberal Thinking

          Think, liberally.

          by Liberal Thinking on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 09:34:29 PM PDT

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    •  Please Join Me (1+ / 0-)
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      Fabian

      I put a new page on dkosopedia for these biographies. You can find it at Bios:DailyKos People. Since you are willing to use your real name, maybe you could encourage others to stand up by putting your biography on this list.

      Liberal Thinking

      Think, liberally.

      by Liberal Thinking on Sat Aug 12, 2006 at 09:27:49 PM PDT

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