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  •  More money in health care or killing foreigners ? (6+ / 0-)

    You'll see health care when companies decide there is money to made in it rather than blowing the shit out of other countries.

    Sometimes even evil can be pragmatic when there's money on the table.

    •  I wanted to hightlight your ......... (4+ / 0-)

      excellent comment:

      Sometimes even evil can be pragmatic when there's money on the table.

      Thank you - I'll remember that!

    •  Pragmatic evil? (0+ / 0-)

      Apparently that doesn't apply to the news media.  They'd rather lie, blatantly broadcast rightwing talking points without examination, and diss over half their market than make money.  Control of the message, control of the propaganda, outweighs the cash.

    •  But there is money to be made in it (4+ / 0-)
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      javelina, JanL, chicagoblueohio, ER Doc
      1. employees don't have to wait until something becomes serious and expensive. They can take preventative measures.
      1. employees experience a sense of security which translates into self-esteem, a feeling of independence, which translates into doing a better and more creative job at the company.
      1. Healthy employees are more productive and get along better with their peers. They are not spending conversation time whining about illnesses and symptoms. They know they will be told to go see the doctor, it's free.
      1. Small business will flourish as people will feel strong enough because healthy to try going out on their own. They won't be forced to offer health insurance to get good people.
      1. Families will benefit as people won't feel they have to amass, amass, amass to store up nuts for their old age.

      I could think of more reasons but I am getting to overkill. Actually an East German woman put me on to this. We were both doing renovation construction real estate development work and using the same contractor. When she came to pay him one day we talked. She said in East ,yes,you heard that right, in East Germany we had health insurance for life so she never worried about her retirement but here in the US all of a sudden it was frightening to grow old and not have a stash of money to take care of you just in case tragedy happened as it does to a lot of elderly people. It was something I was surprised to hear from an East German. You know one of those people from a terrible Commie evil empire kind of place.

      •  Not surprising (3+ / 0-)
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        zeke L, javelina, ER Doc

        "Cradle-to-grave" health care is one of the main tenets of state socialism. Most industrialized countries, and even Cuba, have it.

        I'm still waiting for any politician to suggest that the lack of government sponsored healthcare is one of the main reasons that US companies are losing their competitive edge on the world market. Companies in the US have to pay for employee health insurance, whereas companies in other countries don't have that expense. Single-payer healthcare would go a long way to making US manufacturing competitive again.

        I did disagree with Lamont's "employer-based" healthcare idea, because this causes problems with lost coverage if you are between jobs. And when you get that new job, you usually have to wait 6 months before you get full coverage.

        Socialized payment (by government, with tax money) of healthcare is the way to go.

        "Like the mirror told me this morning, it's all done with people" - Wavy Gravy

        by offgrid on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 05:56:07 PM PDT

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