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  •  No dice (0+ / 0-)

    A fire-breather is not going to win in Connecticut (or many other places).  We're electing one of a hundred Senators here, and you're not going to see a "prescription for genuine reform" emerge victorious in this race.

    I don't expect you to be happy with the situation, but there it is.  Let's make lemonade, shall we?

    lime rick Grover Norquist's in the bathtub. What to do?

    by mspicata on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 09:48:15 AM PDT

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    •  Our willingness to heap praises (1+ / 0-)
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      on this kind of editorial is one of the main reasons that, as you say, "a fire breather is not going to win in Connecticut (or many other places)."  It's never the right time to posit fundmental challenges to the status quo.  Right now we need to "appeal to the middle" to win Congress; then, even if we win, we'll need to "appeal to the middle" to win the Presidency; then we'll need to "appeal to the middle" to govern (possibly losing Congress in the process, right Big Dog?).  Then we'll need to "appeal to the middle" to win back everything we lost.

      In the meantime, poverty and injustice remain rampant, we (hopefully) retreat from Iraq (in order to maintain our imperial ability to invade someone else, natch), and Wall Street laughs all the way to the bank.

      We think we're making lemons out of lemonade.  I'm worried that the lemonade's been switched for Kool-Aid.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 10:12:50 AM PDT

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      •  Nope (2+ / 0-)
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        Our willingness to heap praises on this kind of editorial is one of the main reasons that, as you say, "a fire breather is not going to win in Connecticut (or many other places)."

        No, the reason a firebreather won't win is that Americans are, by and large, not firebreathers.  BTW, I don't think it's lemons myself.  I think Lamont is a smart, articulate candidate that will serve us well.  I never expect to agree with everything a politician says.  

        I consider the fact that the Republicans have won pretty consistently since 1994 evidence that Americans will not tolerate "fundamental challenges to the status quo."  I'd prefer to get into power, and then challenge Americans to rethink their priorities.

        lime rick Grover Norquist's in the bathtub. What to do?

        by mspicata on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 10:36:13 AM PDT

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        •  The Status Quo (1+ / 0-)
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          I consider the fact that the Republicans have won pretty consistently since 1994 evidence that Americans will not tolerate "fundamental challenges to the status quo."

          You coulda fooled me.  The GOP took over Congress in 1994 promising exactly that -- the Contract With America was all about changing the DC status quo.  And since then, they've attacked the entire "Liberal Consensus" status quo, right across the board, losing only one or two significant fights:  Social Security, line-item veto (though signing statements seem a victory by other means on that one), balanced budget amendment, flag-burning amendment.

          The GOP has radically revised environmental laws, worker protections, civil liberties (this one with tons of help from Democrats), social safety net programs, the conduct of foreign policy...you name it, they've fought for and largely achieved (or are in the process of achieving) massive, fundamental change.  And they haven't been quiet or subtle about it either -- their whole rap is about the evil, Liberal, Satanist/atheist consipracy that's run this country for too long, and about how they're going to DC to change everything back to the Good Old Days.

          Furthermore, a good deal of the dissent within the right wing is based on them not sticking closely enough to this plan (the "conservatism has been betrayed!" lament you hear from Sully or Cato).

          I'd prefer to get into power, and then challenge Americans to rethink their priorities.

          Politicians don't undo winning formulas.  If Lamont wins impersonating Nelson Rockefeller, he's very unlikely to suddenly become Eugene Debs.  You get your shot at this when you're running from outside the system.  Once you're an incumbent, the system is designed to absorb you and neutralize you.  Good luck suddenly saying you want to challenge the whole system then (q.v. Barack Obama).

          "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

          by Pesto on Wed Aug 16, 2006 at 10:52:11 AM PDT

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