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  •  Eurabia = Protocols of the elders of Islam (7+ / 0-)

    Fear of a brown planet!  You guys would make me laugh if the race hate you sell wasn't so noxious.

    This is exactly the kind of shit which used to be hurled agains Jews and Irish and Poles a hundred years ago in the US, and against Chinese and Vietnamese in Australia and New Zealand.  

    •  Why is Islam so tenacious? (0+ / 0-)

      Why has almost no Muslim land ever been de-Islamified, other than by outright ethnic cleansing?

      •  Many Muslims are extremely westernised in their (5+ / 0-)
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        habits and attitudes.  They drink alcohol, date blonds, and behave just like every other group making its way up the slimy path toward equality with the ruling elites who got there first.

        Islam is no more tenacious than Judaism, Catholicism or any other -ism.

        "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." Winston Churchill

        by LondonYank on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 03:16:27 AM PDT

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      •  On the tenacity of religions (2+ / 0-)
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        In the same vein as my earlier comment, I think you will find that one of the repeated complaints of antisemites in the early 20th century was that those damn jews, wherever they were, over thousands of years, still refused to give up their judaism!!!

        I think you will also find other religions which are remarkably tenacious-- despite the Portuguese export of the Inquisition to India, and five centuries of Christian evangelical activity, particularly under the protection of the British raj, yielded only 1% of Christians.

        All religions are cultural matrices which have the capacity to reproduce themselves throughout time. But the religions of the book have at their disposal a mechanical technology for the efficient reproduction of culture and sensibility. They tend all to be highly tenacious.

        •  Islam is the MOST tenacious though (0+ / 0-)

          In the same vein as my earlier comment, I think you will find that one of the repeated complaints of antisemites in the early 20th century was that those damn jews, wherever they were, over thousands of years, still refused to give up their judaism!!!

          I don't think so - twentieth century anti-Semitism was blatantly racial.  Only about half of the "Jewish" victims of the Holocaust were in fact practicing Jews.

          I think you will also find other religions which are remarkably tenacious-- despite the Portuguese export of the Inquisition to India, and five centuries of Christian evangelical activity, particularly under the protection of the British raj, yielded only 1% of Christians.

          Hinduism is truly remarkable in that it was the only Indo-European polytheism to survive the onslaught of the "Religions of the Book".  Perhaps it became stronger after it had fended off an attack by an earlier proselytising faith (Buddhism).

          Goa was in fact converted to Catholicism though.  19th century imperialists such as the British weren't as intolerant as 16th century imperialists though, and even 16th century imperialists had no success in converting Muslims.

          Large numbers of Christians under Islamic rule converted to Islam, but conversion the other way was almost unknown even under the most anti-Islamic of regimes.  In fact, the Spanish monarchy was forced to expel or exterminate the "moriscos" because they carried on practicing Islam in secret, after they were supposedly converted to Catholicism.  Crypto-Islam was far more prevalent than crypto-Judaism in post-reconquista Spain.

        •  Islam is the MOST tenacious though (0+ / 0-)

          In the same vein as my earlier comment, I think you will find that one of the repeated complaints of antisemites in the early 20th century was that those damn jews, wherever they were, over thousands of years, still refused to give up their judaism!!!

          I don't think so - twentieth century anti-Semitism was blatantly racial.  Only about half of the "Jewish" victims of the Holocaust were in fact practicing Jews.

          I think you will also find other religions which are remarkably tenacious-- despite the Portuguese export of the Inquisition to India, and five centuries of Christian evangelical activity, particularly under the protection of the British raj, yielded only 1% of Christians.

          Hinduism is truly remarkable in that it was the only Indo-European polytheism to survive the onslaught of the "Religions of the Book".  Perhaps it became stronger after it had fended off an attack by an earlier proselytising faith (Buddhism).

          Goa was in fact converted to Catholicism though.  19th century imperialists such as the British weren't as intolerant as 16th century imperialists though, and even 16th century imperialists had no success in converting Muslims.

          Large numbers of Christians under Islamic rule converted to Islam, but conversion the other way was almost unknown even under the most anti-Islamic of regimes.  In fact, the Spanish monarchy was forced to expel or exterminate the "moriscos" because they carried on practicing Islam in secret, after they were supposedly converted to Catholicism.  Crypto-Islam was far more prevalent than crypto-Judaism in post-reconquista Spain.

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