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  •  Ignorance and fanaticism? What BULLSHIT! (6+ / 0-)

    I spent three months in Dubai last year.  Man, that place is amazing!  Everything is first rate, thought through to the minutest detail, and succeeding.  It's probably a lot like Beirut was being rebuilt before the IDF bombed the shit out it.

    Arabs have been getting degrees in civil engineering for a couple decades now, and it shows in the growth and prosperity all over the Middle East.  

    I'm sick of your racist bullshit.

    "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." Winston Churchill

    by LondonYank on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 03:19:02 AM PDT

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    •  Dubai is a bad example, on your part. (3+ / 0-)
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      1. When I say that RADICAL ISLAM is fanatic and hateful , you think it's racism? Please read my comments more carefully.
      1. Did you know that foreign workers (80% of Dubai's population) are forced to give up their passport upon arrival, making it very difficult to return home?
      1. Not to talk about the wee pay, long hours and other injustices. Read about it. You can read can you?

      4.Homosexuality is illegal and there's no freedom of speech.

      I can go on and on.

      We may live in a gutter , but wer'e reaching for the stars.

      by SteppenWolf on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 03:53:00 AM PDT

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      •  Radical ANYONE is fanatic and hateful, (3+ / 0-)

        and you sound pretty radical to me.  

        My experience of living in Dubai doesn't correlate with your shorthand of conditions there.  

        As a foreign worker, I retained my passport the whole time (except the one afternoon it took to get the visa stamp for the work permit).

        Pay is generous by regional standards, with construction workers largely unionised and having more legal rights than just about anywhere else (including a mandatory 3 hours off in the afternoon during the hottest months).  

        I imagine it's no picnic living as a guest worker in a lot of countries in the region, including Israel.  I'd rather live in Dubai than anywhere else, as would most of the people there.  80 percent of the population are immigrants, which means they voted with their feet and liked what they found.  I lost my British COO of six years to a full time offer from Dubai.

        Dubai is also amazingly tolerant in my experience.  Foreigners who are not Muslim are allowed to pretty much do as they please, so long as they don't offend laws on public behaviour (like couples kissing in public).  I saw a gay couple openly holding hands in a shopping mall precisely because it's okay for men to hold hands there.  They were very, very clearly gay, but no one batted an eyelid.  Try that in Idaho or Mississippi!

        "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." Winston Churchill

        by LondonYank on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:19:01 AM PDT

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        •  That tolerant nation Dubai (0+ / 0-)

          just sent 30 people to jail for ten years because they were gay.

          We may live in a gutter , but wer'e reaching for the stars.

          by SteppenWolf on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:35:59 AM PDT

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          •  Sounds like the UK. (2+ / 0-)
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            Oh, sure, it was a few years ago, but not that long.

            And how many Americans would love to do the same?

          •  'Tolerant' Israel (0+ / 0-)

            While Israel may have very good gay rights laws, that did not stop vicious attacks on Dana International by the religious ferverts in the Knesset. She was the winner of the Eurovision Song Contest in 1998.

            Her nomination in November to represent Israel in the contest caused a stir among some religious Jews.

            Several powerful Orthodox lawmakers had even considered trying to topple the government over the issue.

            Shlomo Ben Izri, a deputy minister and member of the religious Shas party, called her "an abomination."

            Another member of the Israeli Parliament, the Knesset, Rabbi Shlomo ben Ivri, said: "Undergoing a sex change is worse than a act of sodomy ... choosing her is sending a message of darkness to the world."

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            •  HMFG (0+ / 0-)

              So Israel nominated a transgender for the Eurovision, she won, enjoys huge popularity and fame in Israel , and because some assholes disagree wer'e intolerant? HOW OUTRAGEOUS is that?
              I guess all Britons tolerate homosexuals. Guess what? the radical muslims you love so much think they need to be stoned to death.

              We may live in a gutter , but wer'e reaching for the stars.

              by SteppenWolf on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 10:45:40 AM PDT

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              •  Some arseholess (0+ / 0-)

                They included a government minister and another member of the Knesset.

                •  Still , a foggy claim. (0+ / 0-)

                  Israel has a very tolerant attitude about Homosexuals , and i'm very proud of that.
                  Arseholes come a dime a dozen, BUT the vast majority of our people likes dana international and listens to her music . Gays serve in the IDF. Israel has several gay MKs and we march proudly with the gays every year all over the country. Israel has a legally recognized union for gays and there are many gay bars/clubs etc.
                  I have lived in Israeli soceity all my life , and I have my grievences , but I think Israelies in general aren't anti-gay , on the contrary.

                  We may live in a gutter , but wer'e reaching for the stars.

                  by SteppenWolf on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 12:16:01 PM PDT

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                  •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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                    So when some Israelis in the Knesset, including a minister, are arseholes you dismiss it. When some aresholes in the British Muslim community go in for hyperbole, it is an indication of the imminent fall of civilisation. Methinks that like many Israeli leaders you went to the standards store when they had a "two for one" offer.

                    •  Yes, I do. (0+ / 0-)

                      Ofcourse that Jewish ultra-orthodox parties would oppose dana international. That's fairly obvious. I don't know about Gay rights in Britain, but I bet not all of the wig-wearing hogs in the house of lords really adore gays.
                      I don't think Muslims are evil or that they are planning to take over, their taking over is happening all by itself due to sheer numbers, a trend that would intensify in the future.
                      I wouldn't be as worried if they weren't so many radical Muslims and their numbers didn't keep growing all the time.

                      We may live in a gutter , but wer'e reaching for the stars.

                      by SteppenWolf on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 11:12:01 PM PDT

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                      •  +Neither do youknow about the Lords (0+ / 0-)

                        Wigs are optional for the two Speakers and the only other people to wear formal ones are the Clerks to Parliament. "So many" is also a complete nonsense as the percentage is probaly smaller than BNP members are in the white community.

                        In any case many non-Muslims have embraced aspects of Sharia law. Sharia based bank accounts for example are highly popular with people like the Quakers for their ethical investment policies. As well as forbidding Usuary (the charging of interest), it also means that they will not deal with companies making alcohol, tobacco products or armaments.

      •  And if you want great newspapers (1+ / 0-)
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        then read the Gulf Times, Gulf News and Khaleej Times are some of the best newspapers I have ever enjoyed with my coffee.

        They are a lot freer criticising the government than any statist USA newspaper I have read in the past ten years, and they have amazingly intelligent letters to the editor from their readers.

        "Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - after they have exhausted all other possibilities." Winston Churchill

        by LondonYank on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 04:24:52 AM PDT

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