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    boofdah, Monique Radevu

    There was always an annoying libertarian bent to everything he did. He's always been pro big-business, yet 'socially' liberal.

    To my mind, idealogical Catholics who believe in economic justice [and the dogged opposition to war and the death penalty], in spite their social conservatism, are far more leftist.

    "Left" for me = economic issues first, pacifism issues 2nd, and social libertarianism 3rd. Granted, I'm a libertarian on social issues, but I think they pale in comparison to the other two - and tradationally, the left is driven by the first two [why do you think it was the evangelicals who drove the New Deal coalition].

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      "Left" for me = economic issues first, pacifism issues 2nd, and social libertarianism 3rd. Granted, I'm a libertarian on social issues, but I think they pale in comparison to the other two - and tradationally, the left is driven by the first two [why do you think it was the evangelicals who drove the New Deal coalition].

      well I know I for one don't agree at all with that assessment at all but whatever,that is neither here nor there, the fact is Miller was left leaning on most of his views until 9/11.

      "Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is."- Gandhi

      by voter for sale on Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 09:59:58 PM PDT

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      •  Then you need to look into (2+ / 0-)
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        boofdah, Monique Radevu

        both the history of the left in this country and the history of the left as it has unfolded elsewhere.

        Economic issues are the center of all historical transition that has brought about more open and free society. Marx [and Hegel even] was right on this. History, is a history of the evolving relationship between humanity, its objects and the manner in which those objects are both envisioned and produced by that community. The idea of human freedom is inextricably tied to the relationship between the social order and its objects. Hence, the left has always focused on creating ever greater freedom within the economic sphere, first and foremost.

        All else follows.

        As a for instance, what made this country what it is [or was up to about Nixon]? A focus on economic equalization.

        And if you watched Miller from his SNL days forward, he has always been consistent as a libertarian. I couldn't his HBO show in the '90's because of that alone.

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          boofdah, Monique Radevu

          all "historic" definitions aside, I am a fiscal conservative which leads me to be socially liberal.

          Economic equalization can be seen as the surest way for those with wealth to attain even greater wealth.

          This defining of left and right historically is very narrow and shallow in perspective at best.

          ex)It makes very real sense even for a heartless fiscal conservative to want daycare, abortions, afterschool programs as the lack of them cause a huge legal and crime burden on society which is bad for the bottom dollar. Criminals and crime do not help a countries bottom line. (Pay a few pennies now to save and make good citizens and workers and ultimatley consumers, or pay dollars later to cage people who bring nothing to our country).

          It is to bad that those who call themselves conservatives simply do not understand this, it just may also be this lack of understanding which will ultimately lead this country to be nothing but a blip in civilizations that have come and gone.

          Life and what is best can be seen from many many perspectives.

          "Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is."- Gandhi

          by voter for sale on Fri Aug 25, 2006 at 10:25:11 PM PDT

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