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  •  Kaiser kills people (0+ / 0-)

    You make it sound like its a good thing. There's a reason kaiser exists. They provide low cost health care. Hmmm. Wonder how they make it low cost?

    Oh yeah, they won't pay for anything. And if you get sick, they'll operate on you 10 times trying to fix the problem with other lower cost operations rather than just operating to fix the problem.

    Why do they do this? Cause it costs less. Does it matter to them that it tears people apart and makes their lives a living hell?

    I agree with you. We need universal health care. But Kaiser, pfft. I'd have to be almost dying before I'd let one of their slimy filthy doctors touch me.

    •  Your Mileage May Vary (0+ / 0-)
      I know someone who has Kaiser who had a heart transplant. He and his wife require a shocking (to thirtysomething me) amount of care but they are both active and healthy and highly productive, and they are very pleased with the care they've had through Kaiser. They are covered through the magic of pensions, and are smug about pointing out how well that investment paid off compared to my stock options.

      They are not locked in to Kaiser; I believe they have the option to switch to another plan as covered by the pensions.

      I certainly know people who have bad Kaiser stories too, particularly people in the Southern California system, which is run very differently. I believe Kaiser has changed over time as well - they seem to make more of an effort to allow people to stick with a single doctor than they used to back in the 80's - witness that the article says that people are switching over to Kaiser so they can keep the doctor they have now.

      I don't have Kaiser myself, so I don't have firsthand knowledge.

      But I also know people with stories like what you relate above who had Blue Cross. Or HealthNet.

      I have come to believe that the care you get and the situation you end up in has more to do with random luck and with having a good relationship with an interested, engaged doctor than with the plan you have.

      •  Average wait time in a private doctor's office (0+ / 0-)

        about 1 1/2 hours;  at Kaiser, 5 or 10 minutes. (The ER is a different story, of course.) Those  statistics are drawn only from my own experience, with more than ten years at each type of office.  The private doctor also fell asleep during two late-afternoon appointments as he tried to fill out his chart.

    •  Kaiser also saves people (1+ / 0-)
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      My daughter was born at Kaiser with a complex heart defect that is fatal if there is no surgical intervention within 24 to 48 hours. Often these go undetected for a long time -- Kaiser detected it within four hours of birth and had her transported PRONTO to a facility that specializes in neo-natal cardiac surgery. She was immediately also assigned a Kaiser peds cardiologist to coordinate with the other facility's surgeon in lifelong follow-up care.

      Their tracking of her condition up to age 7 (when we left Kaiser) was magnificent. In fact, our new insurer claimed she'd been overtreated (she was scheduled to be checked by Kaiser every three months for the rest of her life -- the new insurer only wanted to pay for a peds cardiologist check-up once a year). We fought the under assignment of check-ups with the help of our Kaiser cardiologist even though he no longer had a Kaiser stake in her health care.

      I found the quality of care to be superb -- but then I'm biased, since I have a daughter to show for it.

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