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  •  mcjoan (9+ / 0-)
    This race shouldn't even be a contest. The fact so many still support Sali says something is terribly wrong with many people.

    We can but try. Sherlock Holmes.

    by Carnacki on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:02:00 AM PDT

    •  It's abortion. (3+ / 0-)
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      That's it. That's the only issue people vote for up here. Republicans have sold that line so well, that the average vote in Idaho will vote party line every time.

      It's a sad-but-true reality about rural politics.

      •  If abortion is the only issue there (5+ / 0-)

        then the Grant folks need to frame their position around whether it is good policy to  criminalize it.  They need to make clear that they aren't trying to encourage abortion, but that they don't want to start locking up doctors and nurses and women.  

        Most  people think abortion is to be avoided whenever possible, but they don't want to see their family doctor go to jail for helping some misguided teenager. Nor do they want their sisters or their wives sent to the pokey.

        "Pro-choice" candidates would do better if they started talking about the consequences of criminalization.

        Can we talk about taking back the senate? We need six states.

        by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:25:57 AM PDT

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        •  A-freaking-men. (5+ / 0-)

          I wish people would actually start saying that the best way to eliminate abortions is to empower women! Women with access to contraception have fewer abortions; women with positive family situations, economic security, and better education have fewer abortions; women who get better prenatal care have fewer abortions; and, of course, eliminating rape, incest, and spousal abuse would eliminate many abortions.

          Instead of bickering about the religious status of a fetus' soul, we should all just roll up our sleeves and work together to create a society that would actually obviate the need for 90% of all abortions. Because that would be a society I think all of us would be very happy with.

          And we and the wingnuts can argue about the other 10% after we get there.

        •  oh heck ya... (6+ / 0-)

          I am LDS (and I can tell you that LOTS of the pro-life voters in Idaho are as well). Our church says that abortion is almost equivalent to murder in badness. BUT the policy is that abortion could possibly be allowed for rape, incest, life of the mother (of course) and serious(ie unusual for pregnancy) health issues for the mother. The policy on that is you pray, you consult with your local bishop (pastor) to decide if this is really the right thing under the circumstances.

          Here's the rub--if abortion were criminalized, it would actually UNDERMINE and USURP that process! It would no longer be for women to pray and consult with their religious leaders, they would have to go before some kind of court or committee or something to explain that yes, it really was rape. Or they'd have to trot out a litany of documents and go to some court-approved doctor to show that their health/life is in danger. There are tons of financial, embarrassment, and other problems with that scenario. But I look at it and think, what happened to praying? What happened to God and my local church leaders, whom I trust? Now instead of those loving, trusted, confidence-keeping individuals, I'm going before some bureaucrat?

          These are the kinds of implications that traditionally pro-life voters need to think about.

          "Renaming French fries to Freedom fries was arguably this Republican congress' greatest accomplishment." -- Stephen Colbert

          by reid fan on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 11:02:41 AM PDT

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      •  I've lived in Idaho 18 years (6+ / 0-)

        Abortion is definitely big, as are the other wedge issues (gay marriage, 10 Commandments).

        There definitely is a segment of the population for whom those are all that matter. They are Sali's folks, and they vote in every election. But I am not sure that bloc is all that big. To wit:

        Sali won just 26% of the vote in a six-way GOP primary.

        http://www.clubforgrowth.org/...

        He got shy of 19,000 votes. It's going to take 115,000 or so votes to win the general. Sali will pick up some of the other GOP candidates' support, but as McJoan points out, many Republicans are either defecting to Grant or vowing to stay home.

        You'd think this race would be a walk for Larry Grant given his outstanding credentials and Sali's sad, divisive record. But remember: This is the same district that elected Helen Chenoweth in the 1990s and Steve Symms in the 1980s. We have out work cut out for us. Bill Sali will get tons of cash from the Club for Growth for the general

        http://www.clubforgrowth.org/...

        Now, though, we can say Larry Grant has the national netroots in his corner. It's huge, and we appreciate any help you can all send our way.

        Help Larry Grant (ID-01) defeat the worst wingnut of the year. Read more at Netroots for Grant.

        by Red State Rebel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:27:12 AM PDT

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      •  I call bullshit, here (3+ / 0-)

        Idahoans in this district are not mere abortion simpletons.

        Okay, abortion is a significant issue in Boise and the mormon south, and that's maybe half the district. But north of McCall there is little or no mormon presence and you'll find few voters in Riggins, Lewiston, Moscow or Coeur d'Alene who give a damn one way or another about abortion. The primary issue here is tax cuts. You have a huge non-native population in this district who migrated to Idaho primarily from Orange Country and who have completely hijacked Idaho state politics in this formerly blue district. Their issue is taxes, taxes, taxes, with a healthy dose of environmental deregulation thrown in to appeal to the farmers and loggers.

        Sali has a small vocal base of pro-life proponents, but his true base is the rabid tax-cut crowd, which is pretty much the base for republicans everywhere.

        resist much, obey little

        by frankzappatista on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 09:19:00 AM PDT

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        •  Sali voted to raise Idahoans' taxes last Friday (3+ / 0-)
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          Bill Sali is supported by the Club for Growth not because he's waiting for the Rapture and bashes gay people but because he is, as you note, a tax cutter.

          So it's interesting to note that he voted for a tax shift scheme proposed by our short-term governor Jim Risch that will cut property taxes by raising the state sales tax a penny. The extra cent is supposed to replace the maintenance and operation levy (M&O) that has long been a vital part of the state's school funding formula. Hmmmm. Talk about voo-doo economics -  and all of this was railroaded through the state Legislature in a daylong special session.

          The Risch plan is a boon for rich folks and businesses (Arnold Schwarzeneger will get $15K off the tax bill for his Sun Valley home), but nearly all analysts say it'll mean a net tax increase - or at best a wash - for most working- and middle-class Idahoans. More alarmingly, the measure radically changed the way Idaho funds its schools.

          Our tiny minority Democratic caucus put forth an alternative plan that would've left the sales tax and M&O alone and used a state budget surplus to target a one-time property tax cut only to people who live in their own homes. Larry Grant supported this alternative.

          The bottom line is: Bill Sali broke his promise never to raise taxes. He's a self-admitted true believer in the failed trickle-down economic policies of the Reagan and Bush eras. By contrast, Larry Grant realizes that  government needs policies that help all hard-working Americans prosper and succeed.

          Help Larry Grant (ID-01) defeat the worst wingnut of the year. Read more at Netroots for Grant.

          by Red State Rebel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 09:43:31 AM PDT

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    •  Well, yeah (3+ / 0-)
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      But it's Idaho. I still shake my head in wonder.

      "I have a philosophy about elections. I believe issues divide and values unite."--Gov. Brian Schweitzer

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 08:23:21 AM PDT

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    •  Short form: (2+ / 0-)
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      "What's Red with Idaho?"

      "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

      by ogre on Mon Aug 28, 2006 at 09:47:21 AM PDT

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