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  •  Westly would have been better candidate (0+ / 0-)

    Angelides getting hit on taxes, career politico etc... Westly could have run on as a successful businessman and an outsider.  Westly would have had more general appeal.  

    Someone, not sure if it is Angelides, has started running ads tying Arnold to Bush, which should garner some sympathy for Angelides, but not enough.  This one is over.  See you in 4 years.

    •  Angelides is the candidate because (0+ / 0-)

      everyone in the state party establishment (including all the lobbyists and consultants in Sacramento) had agreed years ago that he would be the next Democratic governor after Davis.  They endorsed him not because they thought he was a better candidate, but because the decision had already been made before Westly was ever even on the scene.  This is a testament to the failure of machine politics.

      "Leave the gun ... take the cannoli." -8.38, -7.69

      by Balam on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 09:43:18 AM PDT

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      •  you are missing part of the story. (3+ / 0-)
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        Angelides is the rare case where a candidate is the choice of the establishment and the progressive base.

        Westly was the choice of the well off Angela Bradstreet style "Democrats" who hate all taxes, and of the overtly pragmatic.

        They both would be great candidates, but Westly would be attacked a different way... trust me... it's what they do.

        -C.

        I write at GovernorPhil.com, a site helping elect Phil Angelides the next Governor of the great state of California.

        by Neutron on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 01:25:32 PM PDT

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        •  I did not mean to suggest (1+ / 0-)
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          that Angelides wasn't progressive.  In fact I agree that he actually is a better candidate than Westly.  I just think that that isn't why the party endorsed him.  

          Machine politics in California are a failure, regardless of whether they wind up putting forward a progressive candidate or a conservative candidate.  When it becomes more about who you know than where you stand on policy, it is just a farse.  

          I don't like it because next time around we can't just count on being lucky enough that the machine candidate just coincidentally happens to be progressive.

          Thanks for challenging me to clarify my position.  These issues are important.

          "Leave the gun ... take the cannoli." -8.38, -7.69

          by Balam on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 02:32:49 PM PDT

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          •  sure thing. (1+ / 0-)
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            And your reaction is totally justified, it's just when I hear somebody talke about "machine candidates" I think dark smoky rooms and candidates being forced on the population.

            Which definitely was NOT the case here, as Phil had both institutional and grassroots support.
            It's not hard to figure out why if you do a little digging, but asking the media to do that is apparantly way too much.

            They are too busy talking about Arnold's "comeback"

            Westly's millions (hey, there's a movie in there somwhere) made for an interesting cash fueled insurgency.

            But the fact of the matter is that Phil stood up and volunteered to run when Arnold was considered untouchable, was still running when he was down and out, and is still in it now.

            You've got to hand him that.

            However, this part:

            I don't like it because next time around we can't just count on being lucky enough that the machine candidate just coincidentally happens to be progressive.

            I completely and absolutely agree with, and it's one of the things that makes me so crazy with coverage on this race.

            It's this great chance to elect what will easilly be the best Governor we've had in... I don't know how long, and I just see the possibility of it slipping through our fingers.

            Not necessarilly because the campaign hasn't been run right (and it hasn't really, although it's not nearly so bad as it's made out to be here), but because people like Markos just can't be bothered to get involved in CA-politics.

            makes me crazy!

            -C.

            I write at GovernorPhil.com, a site helping elect Phil Angelides the next Governor of the great state of California.

            by Neutron on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 03:30:44 PM PDT

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