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  •  lolol (3+ / 4-)
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    at the idea the traditional media would be scared by liberals.

    Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

    by chemsmith on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:41:46 AM PDT

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    •  Stuff it, chemsmith.... (19+ / 0-)

      Go peddle your sense of futility someplace else.  DKos is for people who aren't too tired, too defeated, or too discouraged to go on another step.  Not that I don't have compassion for you -- I do.  I know the feeling, and sometimes I just want to sit at home all by myself with a bottle of gin and a pack of smokes and give in to it.  But I damned well don't start slurring my words and telling other, more energetic people what fools they are when they have the balls to do something.

      So either snap out of it, chem, or go get yourself a bottle of gin and a nice little doggy to lay its head on your lap and listen to you cry in your beer.

      The rest of us have work to do.  We'll swing by and pick you up later, after you've slept it off.

       

      Q: How do you make a "Republican?" A: Take all the letters in "Rapine Club," and send them to Congress.

      by 4thepeople on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 08:58:05 AM PDT

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      •  It's hopeless... (3+ / 0-)
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        chemsmith is resigned to wallow in despair. There is nothing to be done about it. It's over. Poor, poor chemsmith. Woe is him.

        You might think words of encouragement from fellow kossacks would help, but that does nothing for the 99.99999% of people who don't care one whit how chemsmith feels.

        Just give up

        "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

        by Mad Dog Rackham on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 09:08:01 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not the one whining (1+ / 0-)
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          here at dkos about this docudrama. What you fail to get is that writing diaries HERE won't do any good. Getting the traditional media to act is what counts. They won't act on this. Look at their history.

          Rather than whine here about the docudrama, it would be better to push our politicians to speak up about it, but I doubt they'll do it either.

          Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

          by chemsmith on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:34:16 AM PDT

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          •  You must have a large towel collection (2+ / 0-)
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            given how quickly and often you seem ready to throw them in.

            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

            by kovie on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:57:33 AM PDT

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          •  I must have better glasses, because... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...when I read this and other diaries, what I see are explanations of the problem and calls for kossacks to contact ABC, local stations, newspapers, politicians, and--most importantly--the advertisers. I see phone numbers, addresses, and email addresses being supplied. Oh yeah, I also see one person whining about it.

            You must get real upset at election time, what with all the calls to raise money, plant yard signs, advertise, campaign, etc. All that really matters is that people vote correctly, so all that in-between stuff must be very confusing.

            "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

            by Mad Dog Rackham on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 01:28:33 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, for god's sake... (0+ / 0-)

              The guy has a right to his own damn despair.  You don't have to share it, but don't shove it down his throat.  God knows that after the hundreds of hours I put in on the last three elections, I sometimes sit awake at 3 AM wondering if I should buy a cabin somewhere way out in the boondocks, grow my own lettuce, and just let the world go to hell without me.  If my ostensible compatriots had yelled at me because of it, had told me I was a stupid whiner and to shut up, I probably would have given up on it long ago.

              Jumping up and down on your allies because they sometimes feel like what they're doing is futile might be satisfying, but in the end it's only another form of the circular firing squad.

              -fred

              •  But I guess... (0+ / 0-)

                ...jumping up and down on your allies shoving the hopelessness of it all down their throats, in as many diaries as possible, is fine.

                Maybe if his compatriots tell him to shut up often enough, he'll realize what a counterproductive ass he's being and buck up. Or retire to that cabin in the woods and enjoy the despair he's entitled to in private.

                "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

                by Mad Dog Rackham on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 12:37:20 AM PDT

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      •  See comments below (0+ / 0-)

        on the Downing Street Memo, and maybe you'll understand.

        Whackos get their info thru the Christian right. We'll bring them out to vote against something and make sure the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

        by chemsmith on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:31:29 AM PDT

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      •  You're deluded if you think (1+ / 0-)
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        dKos has that much power.  

        I'm not saying we shouldn't fight, but we need to have realistic expectations.  That ABC is showing this with advertisers shows that they are ready for dissent, and they cut us off at the knees by not giving us any advertisers to boycott.  So we call ABC...so what?  Like those running ABC don't know they're showing propaganda?

        The real change will come if we take back congress and the White House.  Then we will be able to reinstate the fairness doctrine, or something else that achieves the same goal.  Only then will we be able to stop corporate behemoths from spewing unfiltered propaganda on the ignorant masses.

        Perhaps we could pressure other news organizations to run specials that counter ABC's propaganda.  CNN has had some good special reports lately, and MSNBC might do something.  Olberman would certainly be up for mitigating ABC's bullshit.

        "When one has tasted it, he knows what the angels eat." ~ Mark Twain, on watermelon

        by Subterranean on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:55:52 AM PDT

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        •  there are PLENTY of advertisers to hit ... (1+ / 0-)
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          cut off at the knees? i think not ...

          if ABC's doing their special sans advertising, hit their whole schedule of advertisers, and hit 'em hard ... George Lopez, Grey's Anatomy, 20/20, the whole damned schedule ...

          they were all invited to preview the special? then they know, and they're complicit ... call 'em on it ...

          If you want a symbolic gesture, don't burn the flag; wash it. -- Norman Thomas

          by wystler on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 01:25:01 PM PDT

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    •  here's a quote from something (5+ / 0-)

      called the downing street memo.......

      http://online.wsj.com/...

      "On June 3, the group directed messages to NBC. On June 6, MSNBC did a segment on the Downing Street memo. On June 9, Brian Williams, anchor and managing editor of NBC's evening newscast, posted a request for a truce on his Internet blog: "One more note to those of you who are part of the mass email project on the so-called Downing Street Memo: That's enough, we get it...it's an important story...and all you're doing now is taking up computer space. We're well aware of the story, we've covered it, and likely will again."

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