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  •  There is no Choice There (7+ / 0-)

    What's the difference?

    The difference is that in 2) you have two spineless people, and implications that there are dozens of spineless people, all Hillary supporters.

    Hillary should step down from running in any case; is the legacy of a Democratic Republic to be simply two Dynastic Monarchies instead of one?  No, I say, enough familial cronyism!

    I also am tired of Clinton remaining mute on all of this (and, Yes, either he or Hillary really need to drop by here someday; their silence is bordering on arrogance).  What the hell else is there for him to lose to these bragands?  One wonders...

    •  Clinton speaking up (7+ / 0-)

      with the support of Hillary Clinton would be a definate risk for her.  But I think it is one they should take.  It is the right thing to do and it might just win her some support.  If it doesn't win her support it is STILL the right thing to do.

    •  This is why we lose (5+ / 0-)
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      Instead of attacking the right-wing purveyors of this crap, you're attacking the victim, Clinton.

      Whether or not to speak out here is Clinton's personal decision. It's not a clear-cut issue. If he does speak out, he'll be accused of trying to cover up his own incompetence, and what he says will be devalued.

      If we manage to defeat this thing -- it will be because WE speak out. Not Clinton, not Hillary.

      Take some responsibility, and stop helping the Republicans.

      Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future. -- Jimmy Carter

      by elsaf on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 10:39:24 AM PDT

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      •  We can win and still be who we are (4+ / 0-)

        I don't think the two are incompatible, and I consider your characterization of my impression that the Clintons are trying to remain GOP-lite while keeping the core of the Democratic voters in their thrall misguided.

        Clinton has not denounced this Swiftboating of his record yet, and I am joining those who would call him on it (or at least ask the question "why").  This is now National news and he remains mute on the subject.  As a loyal party member, I am distressed that this attack will pass without comment by the principal object of attack.

        I wouldn't care to speculate on what will happen if BC doesn't speak out, but I can see what is happening by his decision to remain silent on the subject.  There are facts on the ground, here, and he can simply re-iterate them (as Ms. Slaughter has eloquently done), thereby reinforcing their weight.

        IMO, your "This is why we lose" statement is foolish; you choose to self-censor an obvious question because you perceive us eating ourselves, tearing ourselves up.  But we have always done that: we are the Democratic Party.

        Perhaps we should self-censor, perhaps we should only speak the words we hear the leaders say day after day.  But if that were to happen, there would still be only one party, albeit in two different clown outfits.

        I prefer to accept that we cajole one another, and not listen to those who take potshots at us; this in-fighting is our strength, not our weakness, IMHO.

        ...but you should feel free to disagree.

      •  It's not blaming the victim (1+ / 0-)
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        JuliaAnn

        to wonder why he gives his lunch money to the bully with no protest.

        That's all that's happening here.

        [ Anyone who thinks my bark is worse than my bite, has never seen me bite. ] -6.63 | -5.38

        by dj angst on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 01:16:57 PM PDT

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