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  •  I was half kidding (0+ / 0-)

    but let's give it a go - please feel free to be brief if you want

    • what seem the main causes of the 2004 loss to you?
    • if any of these bear on Kerry, do you see him surmounting them in 08?
    • what deficiencies in the current field of Dems do you see Kerry addressing?

    "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

    by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 11:36:49 AM PDT

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    •  Okay - (1+ / 0-)
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      • I believe that but for Kenneth Blackwell he would have won.  I believe that there was (so far sadly unprovable) widespread voter disenfranchisement and that recounts were faked (Ohio) or not done at all (I'm talking to you, Bill Richardson.)

      As far as the campaign goes, I think the biggest problem for Kerry was that 5-week(?) gap between the end of the democratic convention and the republicans'.  Kerry had toyed with the idea of not formally accepting the nomination in July so he could keep spending his primary money through that period.  The howls of the indignant forced him to give up that idea, but left him vulnerable to cheap shot attacks in the interim.  Hence the swifties - contrary to popular opinion, he did fight back, but the media being what it is they kept amplifying it, and if he'd spent money then to counter the attacks he would have been short late in the campaign.  I think that 5 week differential was the difference.

      • I think he's done everything possible to keep fighting the good fight since the election.  He's gotten out front on a number of issues that are important to the democratic voters, and signed on to efforts that others have initiated.  He's supported with money and his personal presence innumerable democratic candidates all over the country, in an effort to win back control of Congress this fall.

      I do think that if he decides to run again he will run differently.  One thing I love about Kerry is his ability to absorb new information and learn and grow.  That's the sunny side of the stupid flip-flop label.  Self-righteous stubbornness is not a quality I want to see in a president.

      • When I look at the current field this is what I see (apologies in advance if I offend anyone's favorite)

      Biden is too self-involved and too prone to shooting his mouth off without thinking first.  Plus, concise he is not.

      Hillary - well - I don't know who the voters are who say they will vote for her, but I sure don't know any of them.  Her negatives are very high - even among women.  

      Edwards - I just don't admire him the way a lot of people seem to.  I think his wife is amazing, but I find him simplistic and too inexperienced.  I think his lack of foreign policy cred will be a serious issue.

      Warner - heard him interviewed on This Week a while back, and was unimpressed - see Edwards re: foreign policy, only more so.  I'm not sure that he will be seen as ready for the job.

      Who else?  Bayh - eh.  Don't see what there is to get excited about.  I don't think Gore's going to run, but I'd still vote for Kerry over him.  I don't see Feingold as a great choice for the general election, though I like him.  Of all the others who are expressing interest, I'd have to say I like Dodd the most, after Kerry.  He's solid.

      Kerry's solid and exciting.  I know it's not popular here to acknowledge it, but the cheering throngs he drew by the end of the 2004 campaign were a dramatic illustration of a lot more than an "anyone but Bush" appeal.  I think the way he's conducted himself since then demonstrates the stuff he's made of  - a real toughness, as opposed to cowboy George's pretend swagger.

      "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

      by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 12:11:09 PM PDT

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      •  well put (1+ / 0-)
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        Thanks for this - you make a strong case for someone a lot of us have written off.  It's refreshing to dispel the conventional wisdom that seems to accumulate after a race.  It does make me want to rethink my own after-analysis of the race.

        I, for the record, am still on the fence.  Chats with Europeans make me acutely interested in an Obama candidacy, on the premise that he'd be quite popular internationally.  I do agree on the unlikelihood of a Gore run.  I do really think we need someone with an instinctive grasp of rural campaigning, and Obama's Kansas years have given him a heads up in that department.

        "There will always be two different views / Of the same thing, baby / Too many views with loaded pride." - The Fixx

        by fstlicho on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 12:44:34 PM PDT

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        •  thanks for listening with an open mind. (0+ / 0-)

          There seem to be more people willing to consider all the possibilities these days - but there still aren't as many as one would wish.

          I will vote in the general election for whoever the dem nominee is, but if he's running, Kerry has my vote and my active support from the start.  I like Obama, but he's still really inexperienced and to me kind of a political cipher.  He's got charisma to burn, for sure, and is very intelligent.  But I put Kerry over him for experience; Kerry's no slouch in the overseas diplomacy department either.  

          Plus, I just trust him, for a lot of reasons.  

          "Has Senator McCain's Straight Talk Express been rerouted through Bullshit Town?" - Jon Stewart

          by whometense on Tue Sep 05, 2006 at 03:13:24 PM PDT

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