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  •  Rolling back education.. (none)
    making it more rigorous. Independent. Critical thinking, I don't even see much in this so called left blog. But except for isolated teachers who break thru, I think that day is over. Business and business needs intervened.  So very much is mechanised, almost Teutonic in a rigidity.  America is absorbed and imprisoned by image and lifestyle.  Lost.

    Certainly this primary, viewed as close up as I chose to do this time, was beyond dispiriting.  People, supposedly educated and aware, and fruther happy to bash the media in rather rote fashion, in fact in very rote fashion... to be frank, were day after day taken in. Prattled all day long what the flabby left and center and right media dished.
    I don't care they did not like my candidate, so many simply hated him as exhorted to do by the media.  Mob.  Well, whoops.  That is how demagogues are delivered.  The other way demagogues are delivered is by exhausting a nation, soemtimes by war (ours may be distant, but it may come home) or disenfranchisement... and poverty.  I'd say trifecta.  I am sure it is one reason the Dems are slavering over this election.  They may slaver to loss.

    This war that both sides wanted?  Poorer education, further declining infrastructure, no national health system of any kind, etc... that is what is coming.  And i htink I read Kerry just sorta promised soem sort of newly free (or maybe not so free) higher ed.  Promise them anything...

    The week the Kerry cmpaign blithered on about McCain, btw, it simply blew me away they did htat... is the very week the NYT called for release of his medical records.  I pay very close attention to that. No Duke's classification was ever rleased on the illness.  We have the word of his wife it was early.  Ok whatever. I have no clue what I am being asked to endorse.  O yes, the party... I think we are imperially impaled and from wihtin.  Yes, BTB, better than Bush but so very worrisome.

    If we had learned from Vietnam, we would not have done this.  I maintain we will ocntinue til fully bankrupt, (even) under Kerry we will stay for decades.  If not bankrupt we will do it again.  How can we fight being imperialistic when we are, and fully engaged in a war of empire?  Now many may not have even noticed Bosnia and Kosovo, many Dems scarcely noticed, amazingly.  And you see how easily one candidate sold himself to Dems based on war.. and the cover story for war... but Iraq will be hard to miss and a many decades long occupation.

    It may take 50 years but I htink the jig is up.

    •  Exhausted by war (none)
      This blog seems moderate to me too, I just throw that "left" labeling in the bucket of conventional thinking that has moved the measuring points so far to the right, many have accepted the new points.  Whatever.

      Business has intervened, now they have people begging for jobs, food, shelter, health care while we spend $200 billion+ in a war on the other side of the world.  The entertainment industry has us caring more about "our teams", "our sitcom", "our star" than we do about basic human rights being obliterated in our name by our children.  

      The war coverage seems more like ESPN than the atrocious horror it is.  The battles are described as the Dallas Cowboys taking on the El Salvadorian High School pick up team, "Al, why do they keep getting on the field?  I don't know Tony, with the score at 87-2 you'd think they would throw in the towel".  Maybe because it's their field?

      The primary, the cream of the Democratic electorate, ideal conditions, the most informed electorate ever, sage punditry from both ends of the spectrum (RNC & DLC), issues oriented, highest turnout, head em up, move em out.

      Very rote indeed.  Our system may not be strong enough to take them on, but we can sure do a number on you.  Those with hope need not apply, we know best, you'll understand later.  And that other guy, did you hear he ....?  It was disquieting to see what little resistance the rethugs put up once K was front runner.

      Exhausted by war - there's a chilling thought, it certainly has been used before by less capable manipulators than the masters of message in charge today.  Maybe we can skate over the line, other side defaulting, buried in the mountain of ills they created.  Acquiescence isn't a word I trust with them.

      When have been reduced to saying BTB is our highest aspiration, our most fervent hope.  On top of that they want us to split the ticket.  BTB covers a lot of territory.  

      Bankrupt - by some definitions we are there, going deeper faster than can be comprehended.  Have the World Bank apply the rules on us they do on others.  Have China see it within their interest to tweak us, just a little.  Of course, if they give us enough rope ...

      Fighting Imperialism?  The beginning would be speaking its name aloud, a hurdle for our society I confess.  We still have that much integrity somewhere don't we, dormant, ready for awakening?

      "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Wally on Fri Apr 16, 2004 at 07:20:55 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think we can say it. (none)
        We can't say war profiteer, even.  But we take down Martha, about whom I care nothing. But you know a Big Dem...

        Oh that split ticket thing was quite the diversion.  When I fully understood the K camp was pushing it, well, it said a lot to me.

        As for moderate, sure I agree, no question. Poor wilfred did a diary on how much more moderate can this blog get and was villified for it.  I just sent him my thoughts by e-mail, why bother here.  I don't ecpect peopel to share my politics but I do ask that educated semi-leisure classes (tho there is some to much job and income stress on this blog as well...) be more independent of thought.  Less dictated to... it is the only way to be safe.  And I htink it is fully gone in America.

        I maintain in Europe, old Europe as example, one may have a genuine conversation about Algeria.  It is understood, understood, what went wrong and that it must not be done again.  Same with Vietnam. In France.... not possible to have that conversation in America, tho.  About the same transgressions.

        But I also maintain that for all the stresses of life in Europe, and they are there, to be certain... the trade off is (and everyone knows this) comfort and stability at home.  Good wages, comfort (generally speaking), education, in several countries free thru the equivalent of college also emphasis on quality technical schools, and as we endlessly wait: health care. So many things we do not have and will not have.

        But then they are spared what we DO have:
        NO religious fundie right:  BIG difference.  
        NO sell out to Israel:  BIG difference.
        NO Rupert Murdoch, for whom the way was cleared by Cuomo + others and factions of Likud in America.  sigh.  BIG difference.
        No I think we are lost.

        Also lastly I have searched not finding a news article, but I heard a snippet, literally a snippet, that Tony Cordesman has said Bush must soon ask for 70B.  That might be the tipping point rather than massive death.  Wouldn't that be revealing?  
        I imagine that tape of young Maupin was delivered to the Embassy in Qatar as a special treat following Bush Baby and Sharon appearance.  Quite the stunner all around.  After the horrific death of the young Italian security gueard, Berlusconi will be quiet for a while, I suspect.

        As for K and the party.  Good luck and god speed to him.  I have literally the worst opinion of the deal I am presented with.  Talk about checking the teeth before buying, too late.  Nobody watching politics closely for a long time doubts what came down.

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