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  •  his arguments are spot (0+ / 0-)

    on about you. what are you willing to sacrifice if your rights before you are so willing to sacrifice of ours. To say that you are morally corrupt is to put it mild. THe Republicans are at least honest in their selfish- but to dress yours up under liberalism is beyond belief. THe rights referred to here aren't about gays, no more than Brown V Board was about African Americans. They were about basic concepts of fairness and equality, and what those things mean. Either you believe in them or you do not. Either you fight for them or you do not. But don't try to cover your own moral bankruptcy by trying to use us . If you want to give up some rights- let it be your own. Not those of others. With Andy I completely agree on this. In fact, one of my problems with the gay rights movement is that they allow folks like you to think you are ones with the moral high ground when in fact you aare the ones lacking in any moral center. When I helped out the poor- i did so because it was the right thing to do. It wasn't because I thought I could sacrifice the rights fo others for my own. When I talk about immmigration issues, I could certainly sacrifice them on your altar of other peo's right to be sacrificed. That I do not is about having values beyond those of my own selfish desires. That's what progressivism is about. Maybe you need to decide if you share those values or not. if not, then you aren't a progressive- regardless of whether you personally like gays or not- this is the crux of what being liberal means: equality and fairness for all, because otherwise- there is equality and fairness for none. So talk all you want about how this strategy to cover up your own moral bankruptcy- that doesn't make it any less immoral.

    Fear is not a winning strategy.

    by bruh1 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 07:13:25 PM PDT

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    •  oh good grief (0+ / 0-)
      Man, you people are seriously overreacting.

      It's not "my" agenda, it's "our" agenda

      Our agenda should be getting the people who are in power OUT OF POWER.

      Beyond that, nothing else really matters, does it?

      WE HAVE THE SAME AGENDA FOR CHRISSAKES

      The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

      by theyrereal on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 08:10:15 PM PDT

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      •  yes (0+ / 0-)

        we are "over reacting" and you are the 'reasonable' one commenting in a diary remembering gay peo who died on 9/11. Thanks for playing. Oh, and try to be just a little bit more offensive in a diary about peo who died and who had partners who still haven't been given their due because of sexual orientation and tells us somemore in your great wisdom how it is us who are being unreasonable.  Please deal with your issues. However, don't do it on my time. you have a good one because I really dont want to waste anymore time with you. later.

        Fear is not a winning strategy.

        by bruh1 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:00:17 PM PDT

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        •  incicdentally- andy- (0+ / 0-)

          this is why I didn't want to waste time calling this dude anything other than what he is. He didn't come to this diary to 'talk' he came to tell us we are the reason that he is losing. in other words, he like most bigots look for a scapegoat- I have seen too many of these sorts of comments to expect any different because they are pre programed statements and reactions. Yesterday, it was this latina (or soomeone claiming to be one) who claimed she was against gay marriage (ironic if she is latina because she is in the sizeable minority of latinos b/c most of them dont even think about hte issue much less write a whole diary about it). bigotry was at base the only reason for his posting. the more he has been challenged- the more this truth becomes apparent. he reflects human- peo dont talk about what they dont care about and they certainly dont insist on telling someone that a sole group is the reason why the democrats lose. insert jew for gay, and replace his name for mel gibson and the point becomes readily apparent. anytime one group is blamed for all the woes- then you know where it is growing out of. and that place is plain old fashion bigotry.

          Fear is not a winning strategy.

          by bruh1 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:06:30 PM PDT

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          •  Right. I'm a bigot (0+ / 0-)
            Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% on everything "a bigot" ain't the way to win people over.

            Speaking of Jews, you remind me of those people who instantly shout "Anti-semite!" when there's any criticism of the Israel government.

            Knee-jerk reverse bigotry is all that is.

            Good luck!

            The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer -- Henry Kissinger

            by theyrereal on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:44:23 PM PDT

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            •  OK (0+ / 0-)

              I think, theyrereal, that you (the royal You) can fight to get the fascists out of power and fight for gay rights, women's rights, poor people's rights, environmental rights.

              You don't need to give up on anything to get the fascists out of power.

              You say:

              Beyond that [getting the fascists out of power], nothing else really matters, does it?

              I think the crux of the argument of everyone who is disagreeing with you is that, NO, THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT MATTER.  There are still things that are just as important, and we feel that equality for all human beings is just such a thing.

              Niemoller decried about his selling the trade unionists down the river, the Communists, etc.  Then it was his turn.

              I can see that you're near the same page as all of us, I just think you're too willing to sell out to get the current administration out of power.  If they do get out of power (Goddess willing), but you've sold out -- you will regret it.

              When y'ain't got nothin', ya got nothin' to lose.

              by aerdrie faenya on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 08:45:35 AM PDT

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              •  there is no difference between (0+ / 0-)

                a bigot and the apologist for the bigot- what makes the post you are trying to talk to a bigot is that we end up with the same result in a different way: the end of our rights. this was true of jim crow  and slavery as well- real is saying nothing new. although appparently its new to him. but then that was clear when he thought of hollywood as rep'ing what gays face in the US.

                Fear is not a winning strategy.

                by bruh1 on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 12:38:02 PM PDT

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