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  •  It doesn't matter? (1+ / 0-)
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    aerdrie faenya

    Tell that to me when I've got a pink triangle on.

    They may not come for you first, but standing up for US helps to make sure they may not come at all.

    -TBD (-5.75, -5.59) "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty." - Edward R. Murrow

    by Texas Blue Dot on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:25:46 PM PDT

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    •  its not his life so its (0+ / 0-)

      a non issue which is really why he is a bigot. nothing you will say will change his mind - no more than you could change someone like mel gibson's mind about jews controlling everything.

      Fear is not a winning strategy.

      by bruh1 on Mon Sep 11, 2006 at 09:28:45 PM PDT

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      •  not true (0+ / 0-)

        this is why progressives push for rehabilitation of drug users instead of throwing them in jail over an over.

        Mel is seeking help.  Your assertion that people can't change is false.

        simply false.

        evolution my friend.  everything changes.  and it is ironic that no matter how much things change, everything is still very similar to the past.

        Mark Twain said it best when he said the past does not repeat.  It past rhymes with the present.

        change is inevitable. nothing stays exactly the same.

        Don't fight it son. Confess quickly! If you hold out too long you could jeopardize your credit rating. --Brazil (1985)

        by hypersphere01 on Wed Sep 13, 2006 at 09:57:52 AM PDT

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    •  And not standing up for others (0+ / 0-)

      and being "practical," in my view, is the same as "go along to get along."

      AndyS, you speak so well.  Thanks for adding your thoughts to this ongoing conversation.

      Basically, theyrereal, as AndyS said, YOUR rights are not on the line -- so it's so EASY to feel that putting other rights on the back burner is the best course -- your rights aren't being affected.  You're not gay, I'm guessing you're not Spanish-speaking or an immigrant -- are you a woman?  I'm just wondering, because if you are not part of a group that is ALREADY considered bad or weak or needing to submit (women), then your position is surely the easiest one to take.

      From my favorite musical, The Sound of Music (sorry to those who hate it), Max says to Georg von Trappe about the Nazis in Austria, "Whatever's going to happen's going to happen; just make sure it doesn't happen to you."  Georg von Trappe lashes out, "Max!  Don't you ever say that again!"  Max responds, "You know I have no political convictions; can I help it if other people do?"  von Trappe snaps back, "Oh, yes, you can help it!  You must help it."

      And there I will end; theyrereal, I feel that you are selling not only us short, but your idealism, as well.  You may end up in a 'detention camp' like all of us, but you won't be the first one there.

      When y'ain't got nothin', ya got nothin' to lose.

      by aerdrie faenya on Tue Sep 12, 2006 at 08:33:45 AM PDT

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