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  •  The problem with the anti-war monement. (none)
      IIRC there was a middle of the road resolution in front of the Senate that Joe Biden, and some moderate Republicans had agreed upon, but the ideologues on both sides were not looking to comprimise, and we got what we got. Sometimes you have to give to get, and if the peaceniks had budged a bit then we could have gotten extended inspections, and more time to point out the holes in the intelligence, and the state dept could have made a stronger push for their post war plans.  What we didn't need was both sides yelling and screaming at each other while the Bush admin was putting their war plan in action.  

      That evening, Biden met with half a dozen leading Democrats who were opposed to any war resolution at all. "They said, 'It's not right, you're not principled, asking us to do this,'" Biden recalled. "I said, 'Wait, wait, wait. Please spare me the lecture. I thought our job was to do as much as we could to prevent this President from going off to war half-cocked. Does anybody in here believe that we're going to get any resolution remotely approaching the constraints this resolution has?'" Biden warned his colleagues, "Guess what? Your principle is going to kill a lot of Americans." But the antiwar Democrats were intractable. At the end of the meeting, Senator Paul Wellstone, of Minnesota, and Senator Barbara Boxer, of California, left the room arm in arm, chuckling.

    Take it however you'd like, but if we had chided our liberal Senators into backing Biden's comprimise we'd not be in this mess.  We weren't going to be able to change the rigt wingers, but we could have had some sway with our liberal senators.  

    Whatever exists will, sooner or later, be turned inside out.

    by jbou on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 01:18:46 PM PDT

    •  Sounds a lot (4.00)
      like typical self serving Joe Biden crap.
    •  Hmmm... (none)
      You forgot to include the paragraphs leading up to the one you quoted:

      Together with Senator Richard Lugar, of Indiana, the committee?s ranking Republican, Biden drafted an alternative to the Administration?s Iraq resolution that would have placed various restraints on the President, making it harder for him to wage war unilaterally and forcing him to bolster his case that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction. Lugar had assembled a surprisingly large number of Republicans?twenty-five or so out of the forty-nine?who were uneasy with the Administration?s bellicose stance. In order to deliver their votes, Lugar needed Biden to line up at least forty Democrats; and Biden was sure of only thirty-eight.

      As Biden recalled, on September 30th Lugar, who was in touch with the White House, called him. ?Joe, I fear in the next twenty-four, forty-eight hours, the President?s going to cut a deal with Gephardt,? he said.

      Biden was stunned. ?Gephardt? Gephardt?s not going to do this.?

      ?Joe, I?m telling you. They?re working two sides here. They?re working us, keeping us occupied, but they?re working just as hard meeting with him. Whoever they reach an agreement with first, they?re going to go with.?

      If Richard Gephardt, the House Democratic minority leader, came out for the Administration?s resolution, it would be politically almost impossible for any Republican to support the Biden-Lugar alternative. Biden had to gather the Democratic holdouts immediately and persuade them to stand behind his resolution so that he and Lugar could move it onto the Senate floor the next day.

      Those darn peaceniks screwing up all possibility of a compromise...

      •  Gephardt (4.00)
        Absolutely, positively, MUST NOT be Kerry's VP because of this.  Don't let him think we have forgotten this.

        Whatever you can do or dream, begin it, for boldness has power, and genius, and magic in it. -Goethe

        by Mimikatz on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 01:48:23 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly. One. Word: Gephardt. (none)
        And to think he felt he should run for President as pay off.

        No, plenty of re-education needed.  Or count the years to the next big war.

      •  Gep sold everyone out... (4.00)
        ...to run for president on what he thought was a winning issue.
        •  If Gephardt Is The VP (none)
          I would personally volunteer to throw a cream pie in his face.

          Right after Kerry.

          You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

          by mattman on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 09:10:56 PM PDT

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