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  •  It depends on the weather, I think. (none)
    Or maybe something else. Hey, I'm still puzzled by the warm embraces for Arianna Huffington. And yet, I see your point and probably would have blurted out the same thing if I was on the spot.

    So I guess that means that worrying too much about whether or not this is very cool isn't all that cool, either. Depending, of course.

    •  Cool? (none)
      No, but I think timely in that we are trying to build coalitions, on Markos is the best at that, the best - he bridges many points of view here, despite the nonsense you hear from Wingnuts, and brings us to common cause - electing Dems.

      This seems out of character.

      •  This is the same debate we always have here. (none)
        Well, before I go on, I'll just say that I'm not entirely ready to come to rest on one side or another of this question myself.

        But that said, Kos does a lot of things here. Building bridges is one of the better things, I'll agree. But bridges aren't worth much if you don't cross them once complete. There are two competing theories of how to exploit this kind of reversal, which I blathered about in some other poor soul's diary just a moment ago. You can take a conciliatory and welcoming stance in the hopes of building mutual trust and strengthening bonds for the future, in the hopes that next time they'll turn to you for your input. Or you can throw your full weight against the door the moment they crack it, taking history as your guide in guessing that they're never going to show you anything more than that crack.

        Personally, I would have to admit being partial to the bridge building theory, although we all know that there are plenty among the dKos constituency willing to raise hell in condemning it. And of course, Kos has to maintain his bridges to that part of his constituency, too.

        So in many ways it's the same game all over again. Last time it erupted over fundraising for the DNC, and Kos went with the bridge builders. So now, the door crashers are due for one.

        •  Ok (none)
          Markos doing some bridge building.  I like that.
        •  I'm not that calculating (none)
          War is a seperate issue for me than pure electoral politics. Politics is about building coalitions, yes. But war ...

          Donating money to the DNC is one thing. Advocating policies that will send people to their deaths is another. Not that non-Veterans can't argue for war. But to do so without real evidence, and so, well, flippantly, is infuriating to me.

          So I'm not interested in building bridges on this issue. I'm interested on impressing on people the need to tread carefully when war is at stake.

          •  He's unconsious! He's in the zone! (none)
            If every bridge built by politicians was built consciously and calculated in advance, we'd never have done something as stupid as jump into this war with both feet.

            If I had to guess, I'd say probably less than half of political plays later adjudged to be "brilliant," or even just well thought out, were really planned the way they came out.

            I think it's also true that political analysis and punditry, like literary and artistic criticism, is all about assigning motives after the fact -- backfilling explanations that fit events that have already unfolded, often for completely different reasons.

            You probably think you didn't calculate this, but my spin works so much better for political junkies, who see calculation in everything, that by next week what I've said will be true and you'll be getting questions on Air America asking how you're able to walk such a fine line and keep each of your disparate constituencies so thoroughly charmed.

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