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  •  I was against the war, but now I am for it (none)
    Can I have some credibility if I opposed the war to begin with, but now support staying there?  I absolutely agree that it was obvious BushCo was full of shit and lots of things could and would go wrong with the occupation.  We would have been much better off continuing containment or at least waiting for the UN to come around and jump on board.

    But I think Kerry's current position on the war is absolutely right.  A failed state in Iraq is totally unacceptable.  We are going to have to stay there in the long-term and clean up our mess.  We can bring in NATO and the UN by giving them authority over reconstruction, and that will help financially and militarily, but we're still going to end up bearing most of both burdens.

    By far the most important issue in politics is campaign finance reform.

    by jbrians on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 03:59:51 PM PDT

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    •  I was against the war and still am (none)
      You are assuming what needs to be proven, that US presense on the ground in a net positive.  And that a unitary Iraq is better than a tripartite Iraq.  Who says and why should we believe them?  Bush senior stayed out of Yugoslavia because he believed a fractioning of that state would be a bad thing.  Tell that to the Slovenians.  From the CIA (hey I'm just the messenger)

      " Dissatisfied with the exercise of power of the majority Serbs, the Slovenes succeeded in establishing their independence in 1991 after a short 10-day war. Historical ties to Western Europe, a strong economy, and a stable democracy have assisted in Slovenia's transformation to a modern state. In December 2002, Slovenia received an invitation to join NATO, and it is scheduled to accede to the EU along with nine other states on 1 May 2004."

      Sound a lot like Kurdistan to me.

      •  assumptions (none)
        My essential assumption is that, if we leave, the country will descent in to a civil war (long or short, I don't know), and the non-Kurd parts of the country will become new Afghanistans.  Iraq wasn't a terrorist haven before, but it sure as hell is now, and we're going to need to have a sympathetic government in place so they can't just set up shop there.

        By far the most important issue in politics is campaign finance reform.

        by jbrians on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 11:32:17 PM PDT

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        •  Lots of people shared (none)
            the civil war assumption.  But what evidence do we have that it was ever true that Sunni and Shia would go to war?  And events on the ground in Fallujah make that less likely than ever.  Arab-Kurd war, yes.  The forced depossessions and Arabization of large parts of Kurdistan, and the rapid roll back of that in recent months by the Kurds make that a flashpoint.  But that is something we can prevent by stationing US troops there on an invitation basis by the Kurds.

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