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    why the thinking of our so-called "centrist friends" as you've identified them is flabby and worthy of some contempt:
    1. it enables moves to the right, but once that move occurs they immediately set themselves apart from the right - i.e. it is an attempt on their part to avoid responsibility by locating it elsewhere and continues the same fallacious thinking that has gotten this country into trouble since the mid 1980's.
    2. it directly and repeatedly "blames" the left, i.e. the people who were not only right, but the people that our "centrist friends" consistently seek out for blame in order to bolster their own positions.  This is the biggest problem I have with Kevin Drum, but the others are equally guilty of this slimy move toward self-aggrandizement.  The "center" constantly wants to tout its superiority to "either extreme" but in actual practice is far too ready to sell off its left flank in an attempt to elevate its own so-called "cred".  This is both dishonorable (given the fact that of the two the left is far weaker) and stupid (given the fact that the more the center helps to bury the left the more it signals its own demise).
    Same old, same old, but these handful of bloggers are folks who engage in this process not simply for ideological purposes, but for personal advancement of some sort or another. You want to tell me why someone like Kevin Drum now has a nice little gig at WM while someone like Rahul Mahajan doesn't? Tell me who knows what he's talking about and how doesn't...Tell me who's willing to put himself and what he knows on the line and who isn't.  

    "By focusing fear and hatred on the Tutsi, the organizers hoped to forge solidarity among Hutu." -- Human Rights Watch

    by a gilas girl on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 04:15:11 PM PDT

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    •  That's a serious charge (none)
      and ceretainly backed up with some evidence.

      I hope you're wrong, but I can not say with any confidence you're wrong.

      I think your points are valid but am not sure how this exercise carried out in this way, helps us here.

      I think that holding them accountable is a less confrontational way would work better.

      OT- did you just here Woodward?  The Saudis promised to lower oil prices to hel Bush win?  WTF?  And what , pray tell, do the Saudis get in return? Unbelievable

      •  Funny (none)
        I thought what I was engaging in was "holding them accountable".  Pointing out not only their mistakes, but the mistakes of logic that underlies those mistakes is one way to hold them accountable not only to the past errors, but to prevent future ones to be made.

        or?

        "By focusing fear and hatred on the Tutsi, the organizers hoped to forge solidarity among Hutu." -- Human Rights Watch

        by a gilas girl on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 04:31:49 PM PDT

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        •  Less confrontational (none)
          manner.  That's my point, if I have a point.

          And I think I do.

          •  Well (none)
            to be fair to me this is the first time I have ever expressed my long-time disdain for KD; I really loathe the stuff the guy puts out and have for a long time, but kept still because so many others around here seem to grant him respect and good intentions.  No need to constantly rock the boat.  This then seemed like the appropriate time to speak up.

            "By focusing fear and hatred on the Tutsi, the organizers hoped to forge solidarity among Hutu." -- Human Rights Watch

            by a gilas girl on Sun Apr 18, 2004 at 04:46:45 PM PDT

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          •  You're right (none)
            Of course, you're absolutely correct. You do indeed catch more flies with honey than vinegar....but sometimes the flies earn the vinegar. My feeling is vinegar for a day or three and then I'll go back to taking a deep breath and grit my teeth and go back to dishing out as much honey as I can stand.

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