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  •  Responding to spurious choices traps - (8+ / 0-)

    This is a wonderful diary, but I'm not sure where my burr under the saddle fits.

    For example, "stay the course or cut and run" is a spurious choice. "Stay the course" is not the polar opposite of "cutting and running." And those certainly are not the only options open.

    "We had to go to Iraq to oust Saddam," is a spurious statement (Other means could have been used to oust Saddam.  The statement assumes that only war could have accomplished that.)

    So what is the most effective means to identify these spurious arguments and to not only defuse them, but turn them around to make a stronger statement?

    •  There is never a 3rd choice (2+ / 0-)
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      Robert Davies, ilyana

      It's like an abusive parent saying "Walk 10 miles on highway to buy me cigarettes because I think they are fresher there OR I kill your puppy."

      •  More than dead puppies have piled up (1+ / 0-)
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        ilyana

        Thats why folks need to re-think their posture  even if they're Nader lovin' PETA pledgin' peaceniks. (like more than a few of my best friends have.) Because of close personal ties, alliances and gravely important shared  concerns we're in the same boat on election day. They can take comfort in the fact that my invaribly consumed hot dogs won't be made from real puppies in the future.

        WIN ELECTIONS or Buy Guns.

        by Robert Davies on Mon Sep 18, 2006 at 09:31:35 AM PDT

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    •  stay the course & cut and run (1+ / 0-)
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      TaraIst

      stay the course - you argue not to stay the course - thr gottcha is that there is NO course

      cut and run - you argue it is time to leave - the gottcha is we are the aggressor non-aggression isn't cutting and running.

      by arguing with their ands we accept bad foundations

      cut and run  vs  sit and spin

      tax and spend vs guzzle and hoard

      flip flop vs  thong thinking

      oust Saddam  vs  and how's that working for ya?

      •  That's the answer (0+ / 0-)

        WHAT course? The one that goes around in circles, just getting more and more people killed? Or the one where you have no idea where you are, but won't ask for directions, and drive off a cliff? How about the one where you see light at the end of the road, only to find it's a train, and you're on the railroad bridge?

        You want to stay on THAT course?

        How about stopping the vehicle and reading a map? Maybe asking for directions and/or help? Or just going the hell home and taking a rest for a while?

    •  This Is Just Another Sort of Frame (7+ / 0-)
      This goes under
      9. The Reactive Trap.

      For the most part, we have been letting conservatives frame the debate.

      False dichotomies are just another way of framing debates.  We need our own frames.

      Such as, for example:

      We're fighting the wrong war, against the wrong foe, in the wrong place.  We need to get back to fighting al Qaeda, and catching Osama bin Laden.  Remember him?  The Republicans seem to have forgotten him.  Democrats haven't.  We remember what happened on 9/11.  We remember who did it.  And we won't take our eye off the ball.

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