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  •  My question is: where the hell are the Dems on (12+ / 0-)

    this???  This is such a basic protection that has been with us for 225+ years!!! Are they afraid of the bogeyman meme about "soft on security"?  If so, shame on them!

    My call has gone out to my Senators--and they better get with it!!  We are being hoodwinked here; and America is asleep.  Great diary, Media.

    •  The Dems support the Warner-McCain bill (3+ / 0-)
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      All the Dems on the Senate Armed Services Committee voted for the Warner bill.

      And, on the House ASC, a Dem member offered the text of the Warner bill as a substitute amendment, and it was defeated on a party-line vote.

      So far as I can see, Dem MCs really do think that the Warner bill is some kind of gold standard (validated by the fuss the WH is making).

      (I wrote about the whole thing earlier today(with links).)

    •  The last I heard, they were stepping back (3+ / 0-)
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      and letting the battle play out between the rethugs and Bush.  That obviously is not a good idea.  I'm e-mailing and calling my dem senators and reps, just so they know this is not acceptable.

      It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't. ~ Will Rogers

      by vigilant meerkat on Mon Sep 18, 2006 at 06:18:32 PM PDT

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    •  Haven't any Dems taken Negiotions 101? (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm going to be really angry.

      The Republicans are playing Dems for fools and the Dems are acting the part.  By standing back and letting the Republicans fight among themselves, the Dems have painted themselves into a corner.

      If the WH agrees to the Warner bill, Dems won't be able to not vote for it without opening themselves up to the charge of soft on terror and without the Dem Armed Services Committee people being seen as flip-floppers.

      There's only one way out of this mess.  Dems need to make strong statements about what conditions they need to agree to the bill.  Just like Bush said he was going to ask one question about the bill, Dems need to say they're going to ask three questions:  1) Does it maintain the current law that torture is illegal?  2) Does it maintain the current law that everyone has the right to habeas corpus  and 3) Does it allow our interrogators to interrogate suspected terrorists effectively?  They've got to get this message out ASAP before they're forced to agree to something entirely unacceptable because it's not as outrageous as the other option.

      •  Oops (0+ / 0-)

        The first sentence was the continuation of a revised subject line.

        Though it's true.   At some point in the future, I will be angry at something.

        The original line read: If this bill passes w/o the Specter-Levin amendment...

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